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    Default Is Eddie a Serious Musician wanna-be?

    Ed seems very frustrated over the years in the Rock and Roll business...

    Van Halen's music may not age as well as others, due to the Party boy atmosphere of most of it.

    Is part of his frustration the genre he has succeeded in?

    Is there a part of Ed that wishes he would be regarded as a serious Musician outside of just Good times Party Rock?

    Dave and Sammy are Party Rockers and they both seem to annoy Ed is the one who has the talent to be a serious musician.

    Other bands such as Sting, Bon Jovi, Rush, Robert Plant with Allison Kraus, etc. have made the transition to more adult serious musician status transending their party boy reputations... just a thought.... weigh in if you will!

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    oh jesus......
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    If by "wanna be" you mean selling over 70 million records, having two releases go Diamond, and up until VHIII, being the only artist in history to have every release go triple platinum......then I'd say yes.



    Honestly, though ? Yes, I do think there was an effort centered around VHIII, to ditch the pussy/dope rhetoric and class things up a bit in order to legitimize the bands perception. Didn't work out too well. I guess a leopard really can't change it's spots.
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    Ed's more interested in trying out Al Bundy's career in his old age.
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    Yes.


    Only serious musicians write for pornos.
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    Oh good grief! How dare you talk bout MY man like that......Where's Ellen at?

    Ellen, you'd better hold down the fort while I'm away, and not let nobody talk smack about our dear Eddie.

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    No one other than EVH himself knows the answer to this question. It could certainly be argued that Ed is in a better place than he has been in a long, long time....but thus far, his attention seems to be pointing more at hocking guitars, accessories and shoes than actually making music. In the end, time will tell.....
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    I definitely thinks he wants to be more "serious" about it. I think in the mid-90's with his fixation on how bad Sammy's lyrics were and wanting to bring in outside writers/producers for the music.

    Then the choice of Cherone and the way Eddie always praised him for not being a typical juvenile rocker (all paraphrasing, no actual quotes - lazy). He wanted to explore broader styles and themes both lyrically and musically.

    We've also been given fair warning (weak pun intended) by Eddie that IF (I wish I could make that "if" a little bit larger b/c it's a big one!) we hear new music from VH don't expect the old headbanging... you know the rest. He's definitely been telling the public both in words and in music (what there is of it) that he's definitely changing directions.

    I'm actually all for all of this in theory, but so far he has failed at it in my opinion.

    Whatever people ever thought of Sam or Dave, I don't think there's anyone under the sun that didn't take Eddie seriously for all the years leading up to 1996. The shit he did musically was taken VERY seriously by millions and millions of people. That was one nasty MF musically.

    Eddie has always been a serious musician in my book, and ironically I've taken him less and less serious since VHII break up.

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    I think if they do a new album with Dave that it will have more serious songs on it and not the same party friendly songs that they did 1978-1984. I think thats what Ed meant when he said that the new stuff would different from what we'd expect. I don't think he will do a "techno album".

    Eddie is still searching for his "Stairway to Heaven" type epic, not sure if he'll achieve it with Dave and Sam has lyric writing issues in Ed's mind but anyone else besides Dave or Sam would not be welcomed by most fans. And if Dave leaves again then forget about any of the good will they re-established with their fans on the last tour.

    I think Eddie knows how many songs he has that are forever lodged in rock and roll history. From RWTD to Right Now as well as Eruption, but I don;t think he is satisfied with just having those classics.
    If maintains his cleaner living, then he will create music, its what he does. Its like trying to stop a dog from licking itself.
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    This is going to get ugly real quick.

    My personal impression is that Eddie is not a serious-musician wanna-be. I think that's rather pedantic and discounting of his ability and career.

    I think a more accurate way to put it is that Ed is frustrated with the fact that his fans, by and large, will not accept anything more serious from him or Van Halen. Oh people will say tha had VHIII been less fragmented/had the production been better/had he used a real producer to help "focus" his ideas/whatever then it would have been better received but the fact of the matter is simple: most people want one thing from Ed and VH and one thing only: elephant squeals, summer party music, hard-rock-fist-pumping-windows-down-speeding-to-the-beach music...the kind they made for years and they want Sammy or Dave singing it...period.

    Every once in a while someone will even roll out a restaurant analogy. Something to the effect of: "VH is like any cook in any restaurant. I go to the same restaurants because I like how the food is prepared. If I order a steak medium well and the chef burns it, I'm sending it back. If he continues to burn it, I'm finding another restaurant. Music is no different. They are providing a product in exchange for my money. They have an obligation to provide a service that is worth my money and if they dont' they have to suffer not getting my money."

    I love the music-as-food-or-other-product analogies.

    Bottom line, fans are not obligated to like any direction a musician goes in. Musicians are not obligated to continue to churn out the same crap over and over again just to appease a bunch of fans. Sometimes fans are willing to follow an artist where ever they go: look at the Beatles, and to a lesser extent, Pearl Jam, who lost a great number of fans but are quite happy with their status. Other times, fans say "sorry, I don't like this and I won't support this." Look at Van Halen.

    What makes Van Halen a little more unique than other groups whose fans abandon them or their mainstream success dwindles is that Ed did not continue pushing forward despite that lack of fan support. It seemed to deal some sort of deathblow to him and instead of pushing forward independantly and releasing records to the enjoyment of whoever cared to listen, he shut himself away.

    I don't think Ed looks at Bon Jovi (or any of the other people you mention)with any sort of envy or sense of wannabe. Jon Bon went the opposite direction...he continues to give people exactly what they want and has abandoned the musical and creative independance and ambition that guided them during the Keep the Faith and These Days records. If anything, Jon Bon has regressed, rather than grown as an artist. Yeah his hair is shorter and he had some pedal steel on the last record, but he's obsessed with trendiness...he's not much more than a nasaly male model prancing around on Oprah Winfrey trying to convince the world that he hasn't lost touch with his jersey boardwalk roots. You ask me, I don't think he ever gave a shit about the boardwalk or connecting with Everyman...he wanted the shiny hollywood lifestyle he has. God bless him, more power to him. He's living the American Dream: making a bundle of money doing exactly what he wants to do exactly how he wants to do it.

    Anyway, I digress...if the question is "is ed tormented by the fact that his audience refused to accept a more mature, more ambitious Van Halen?" then I think the answer is yes. If the question is "is Ed a serious musician wannabe?" then I think the answer is no...Ed has always been a serious musician.
    Stay out of it, dude.


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    Quote Originally Posted by broken9500 View Post
    This is going to get ugly real quick.

    My personal impression is that Eddie is not a serious-musician wanna-be. I think that's rather pedantic and discounting of his ability and career.

    I think a more accurate way to put it is that Ed is frustrated with the fact that his fans, by and large, will not accept anything more serious from him or Van Halen. Oh people will say tha had VHIII been less fragmented/had the production been better/had he used a real producer to help "focus" his ideas/whatever then it would have been better received but the fact of the matter is simple: most people want one thing from Ed and VH and one thing only: elephant squeals, summer party music, hard-rock-fist-pumping-windows-down-speeding-to-the-beach music...the kind they made for years and they want Sammy or Dave singing it...period.

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    Exactly Right man, but who is this Sammy dude you mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddymon View Post
    Exactly Right man, but who is this Sammy dude you mentioned?

    I don't know...I keep seeing his name pop up as some singer in some band called Chickenfoot or something...they keep comparing him and them to Van Halen so I can only assume there's interest in hearing him sing for VH...but what do I know!?
    Stay out of it, dude.


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    I think Broken9500 is pretty much correct in his analysis however I would like to add the following. I remember back in the 90's Eddie would "claim" that he did not pick up a guitar for over a year but would play piano. Of course you have to take anything that he says with a huge grain of salt. However he has dabbled in sax and cello so who knows.

    I also think that him and Alex do jam quite frequently and I doubt very much they are playing their greatest hits. Most likely its music that does not fit within the confines of what we define as Van Halen. Maybe Alex is playing piano and Eddie is on drums. When you throw Wolfgang in there, he might be playing drums, Alex on piano and Eddie on bass.

    I really think that Eddie's love of guitar stopped when for whatever reason he fell out of love with Alan Holdsworth. That was after 1984 when they had a falling out with him producing an album. Seemed after that was when his playing became a bit boring soloing wise. He seemed to be energized a bit with VH3 but the fan reaction and a lovely device called the sustainer ruined that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHI-TOWN FAN2 View Post
    Ed seems very frustrated over the years in the Rock and Roll business...

    Van Halen's music may not age as well as others, due to the Party boy atmosphere of most of it.

    Is part of his frustration the genre he has succeeded in?

    Is there a part of Ed that wishes he would be regarded as a serious Musician outside of just Good times Party Rock?

    Dave and Sammy are Party Rockers and they both seem to annoy Ed is the one who has the talent to be a serious musician.

    Other bands such as Sting, Bon Jovi, Rush, Robert Plant with Allison Kraus, etc. have made the transition to more adult serious musician status transending their party boy reputations... just a thought.... weigh in if you will!
    He's no wanna be, that's for sure. He's gotta be frustrated at the state music is in nowadays. He does have that party band gunslinger on guitar rep that will always preceed him, but I think he's finding focus in his life. In some ways I think his EVH line is a healthy distraction. It's keeping him more occupied, he's definately less reclusive. The way things were going, i thought he might end up like another well known force in the industry.......... but I digress. I think our guy will be allright.
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