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    MOSCOW – If you're inclined to believe Igor Panarin, and the Kremlin wouldn't mind if you did, then President Barack Obama will order martial law this year, the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011, and Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order.

    Panarin might be easy to ignore but for the fact that he is a dean at the Foreign Ministry's school for future diplomats and a regular on Russia's state-guided TV channels. And his predictions fit into the anti-American story line of the Kremlin leadership.

    "There is a high probability that the collapse of the United States will occur by 2010," Panarin told dozens of students, professors and diplomats Tuesday at the Diplomatic Academy — a lecture the ministry pointedly invited The Associated Press and other foreign media to attend.

    The prediction from Panarin, a former spokesman for Russia's Federal Space Agency and reportedly an ex-KGB analyst, meshes with the negative view of the U.S. that has been flowing from the Kremlin in recent years, in particular from Vladimir Putin.

    Putin, the former president who is now prime minister, has likened the United States to Nazi Germany's Third Reich and blames Washington for the global financial crisis that has pounded the Russian economy.

    Panarin didn't give many specifics on what underlies his analysis, mostly citing newspapers, magazines and other open sources.

    He also noted he had been predicting the demise of the world's wealthiest country for more than a decade now.

    But he said the recent economic turmoil in the U.S. and other "social and cultural phenomena" led him to nail down a specific timeframe for "The End" — when the United States will break up into six autonomous regions and Alaska will revert to Russian control.

    Panarin argued that Americans are in moral decline, saying their great psychological stress is evident from school shootings, the size of the prison population and the number of gay men.

    Turning to economic woes, he cited the slide in major stock indexes, the decline in U.S. gross domestic product and Washington's bailout of banking giant Citigroup as evidence that American dominance of global markets has collapsed.

    "I was there recently and things are far from good," he said. "What's happened is the collapse of the American dream."

    Panarin insisted he didn't wish for a U.S. collapse, but he predicted Russia and China would emerge from the economic turmoil stronger and said the two nations should work together, even to create a new currency to replace the U.S. dollar.

    Asked for comment on how the Foreign Ministry views Panarin's theories, a spokesman said all questions had to be submitted in writing and no answers were likely before Wednesday.

    It wasn't clear how persuasive the 20-minute lecture was. One instructor asked Panarin whether his predictions more accurately describe Russia, which is undergoing its worst economic crisis in a decade as well as a demographic collapse that has led some scholars to predict the country's demise.

    Panarin dismissed that idea: "The collapse of Russia will not occur."

    But Alexei Malashenko, a scholar-in-residence at the Carnegie Moscow Center who did not attend the lecture, sided with the skeptical instructor, saying Russia is the country that is on the verge of disintegration.

    "I can't imagine at all how the United States could ever fall apart," Malashenko told the AP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voivod View Post
    MOSCOW – If you're inclined to believe Igor Panarin, and the Kremlin wouldn't mind if you did, then President Barack Obama will order martial law this year, the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011, and Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order.

    Panarin might be easy to ignore but for the fact that he is a dean at the Foreign Ministry's school for future diplomats and a regular on Russia's state-guided TV channels. And his predictions fit into the anti-American story line of the Kremlin leadership.

    "There is a high probability that the collapse of the United States will occur by 2010," Panarin told dozens of students, professors and diplomats Tuesday at the Diplomatic Academy — a lecture the ministry pointedly invited The Associated Press and other foreign media to attend.

    The prediction from Panarin, a former spokesman for Russia's Federal Space Agency and reportedly an ex-KGB analyst, meshes with the negative view of the U.S. that has been flowing from the Kremlin in recent years, in particular from Vladimir Putin.

    Putin, the former president who is now prime minister, has likened the United States to Nazi Germany's Third Reich and blames Washington for the global financial crisis that has pounded the Russian economy.

    Panarin didn't give many specifics on what underlies his analysis, mostly citing newspapers, magazines and other open sources.

    He also noted he had been predicting the demise of the world's wealthiest country for more than a decade now.

    But he said the recent economic turmoil in the U.S. and other "social and cultural phenomena" led him to nail down a specific timeframe for "The End" — when the United States will break up into six autonomous regions and Alaska will revert to Russian control.

    Panarin argued that Americans are in moral decline, saying their great psychological stress is evident from school shootings, the size of the prison population and the number of gay men.

    Turning to economic woes, he cited the slide in major stock indexes, the decline in U.S. gross domestic product and Washington's bailout of banking giant Citigroup as evidence that American dominance of global markets has collapsed.

    "I was there recently and things are far from good," he said. "What's happened is the collapse of the American dream."

    Panarin insisted he didn't wish for a U.S. collapse, but he predicted Russia and China would emerge from the economic turmoil stronger and said the two nations should work together, even to create a new currency to replace the U.S. dollar.

    Asked for comment on how the Foreign Ministry views Panarin's theories, a spokesman said all questions had to be submitted in writing and no answers were likely before Wednesday.

    It wasn't clear how persuasive the 20-minute lecture was. One instructor asked Panarin whether his predictions more accurately describe Russia, which is undergoing its worst economic crisis in a decade as well as a demographic collapse that has led some scholars to predict the country's demise.

    Panarin dismissed that idea: "The collapse of Russia will not occur."

    But Alexei Malashenko, a scholar-in-residence at the Carnegie Moscow Center who did not attend the lecture, sided with the skeptical instructor, saying Russia is the country that is on the verge of disintegration.

    "I can't imagine at all how the United States could ever fall apart," Malashenko told the AP.

    let's hope he's wrong? Pretty much my only reaction...though I don't think he or anyone else can be considered a fool for thinking this may be the case.

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    I wonder what my new rump state is going to be called.

    I hope it's something cool like New Megatucky.







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    yeah, I saw this on another message board some time ago. The way he had the US divided up was pretty interesting. Only the North East was considered the United States, and he California, Nevada, Washington and Oregon belonging to China, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and belonging to Mexico, etc.

    I'd post the pic of the map but I don't think I can.

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    ahh, yes. Here is the link. Notice the map way down towards the bottom of the article

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Naked Wake View Post
    ahh, yes. Here is the link. Notice the map way down towards the bottom of the article

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

    well if you asked me to draw up a map of how I thought the US would split up if it decided to disband that's about how I'd draw it...nothing on here really makes me go "OH MAN...Never thought of THAT!"

    Though I think it's pretty interesting that other countries are drawing these types of maps up taking bets on who is going to take what and how it's all going to play out. Not a real confidence booster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broken9500 View Post
    well if you asked me to draw up a map of how I thought the US would split up if it decided to disband that's about how I'd draw it...nothing on here really makes me go "OH MAN...Never thought of THAT!"

    Though I think it's pretty interesting that other countries are drawing these types of maps up taking bets on who is going to take what and how it's all going to play out. Not a real confidence booster.
    No, I think it would be more of a question of who gets it. I think I would stick Utah and Idaho with Central-North American Republic because I honestly can't see Mormons kow-towing to the Chinese. But I don't think that territory would be under Canadian rule. Not many Americans in that area have much respect for the Canadians.

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    I say bullshit. Anyone with half a brain knows Florida is goint to Cuba.
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    RED DAWN, everybody watch that movie tonight. Get Ready !

    If they come for me in my town, they are not taking it with out some good ol' gorilla warfare.

    Bring it you Chinese, Russian, Mexican, European and Canadian Bastards !

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    And Cuba Bastards Too !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullwinkle View Post
    I wonder what my new rump state is going to be called.

    I hope it's something cool like New Megatucky.
    "New Megatucky".

    That was worth repeating.

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    Yeah....this will happen
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    I am cool with my new state. I like Canadians and hockey.

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