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    Default What cuts is the school board in YOUR area considering?

    Seems that cuts from local school boards are in the news more and more these days because of budget shortfalls. Around here, it seems that Orange county is really in the spotlight as they have to cut over $100 million out of the budget for the 09/10 school year.

    Depending on which county you are talking about, the talk ranges from completely eliminating sports programs to going to a 4 day school week.

    Here in Flagler, they are mostly talking of the 4 day school week in combination with cutbacks in sports programs. So, what is the school board putting on the chopping block in your areas?
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    Over the last 10 years our district has been calling for the building of 2 new elementary schools depsite significant enrollment declines.

    5 years ago they wanted at 17 million dollar levy to build the new buildings plus a new middle school PLUS rebuild the high school and two other elementaries.. a complete retool...based upon the "old buildings" don't provide a good education theory.

    All the levies failed, so (in what I perceive to be an act of punishment, but they consider an act of fiscal responsibility) they closed two elementaries and combined with the remaining two elementaries, adding a few portables to make more room


    No increased class size and no complaints from the parents.

    If those levies had passed and construction had begun, we would have been in a world of hurt as tax revenue from forclosed homes and dropped property values would have left the the district with a VERY bad case of the shorts

    fortunately the unintended result of their punishment is that we are in OK shape...but for how long who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHalenRules View Post
    Seems that cuts from local school boards are in the news more and more these days because of budget shortfalls. Around here, it seems that Orange county is really in the spotlight as they have to cut over $100 million out of the budget for the 09/10 school year.

    Depending on which county you are talking about, the talk ranges from completely eliminating sports programs to going to a 4 day school week.

    Here in Flagler, they are mostly talking of the 4 day school week in combination with cutbacks in sports programs. So, what is the school board putting on the chopping block in your areas?
    Ugh, they go to a 4-day week here, I'm going to have to get serious about finding another job in a location that goes to school 5 (or preferably 6!) days.
    O.C. can start by not buying planners for these kids that they don't even use. I don't know how many kids are in the district and how much the planners go for, but I'm sure it's a start. No more field trips - how about lets stay in school and learn some stuff? (And that goes back to the four day week as well - they can't even get it done in 5, how are they going to get it done in four? And what happens to those 36 days? Just gone from the schedule so now our kids are only in school for 144 days? Hell no! How about cutting out some bus stops? I used to walk a mile to school with my books under my arm - these kids all have backpacks, quite a few with wheels! I think there are two or three stops in my subdivision. How about cutting that down to one centralised one that they could all walk to in 5 minutes or less? And there should be no stops within a half mile of the school!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHalenRules View Post
    So, what is the school board putting on the chopping block in your areas?
    Teachers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HippieLettuce View Post
    Teachers...
    that's not necessarily a bad thing. I can think of several teachers that I'd like to see get the axe in the schools I have experience with.

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    What's the difference, the majority of public education is a pathetic failure. They spend more per student than the private schools and they still put out a Fucked Up product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pal1800 View Post
    What's the difference, the majority of public education is a pathetic failure. They spend more per student than the private schools and they still put out a Fucked Up product.
    yep. It's not a matter of throwing money at our public schools. Public schools squander just as much on fluff and "pork projects" as a government does. The people in charge of public education, by and large, aren't all that educated and are very inefficient. The whole system needs to be broken down and rebuilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broken9500 View Post
    that's not necessarily a bad thing. I can think of several teachers that I'd like to see get the axe in the schools I have experience with.
    For me it's a terrible thing. I'm in jeopardy of losing my job. But I agree that some teachers need to go. Unfortunately, most of the teachers that need to hang it up are those that have been teaching for 30 odd years. Many of them have lost any sort of passion they had and are hanging on for the benefits. The shit thing is that they are at the top of the seniority list and young teachers fresh out of credential programs with new ideas and limitless energy are the first to get the boot. It sucks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by broken9500 View Post
    The people in charge of public education, by and large, aren't all that educated and are very inefficient.
    Without a doubt. Many people "in charge" of education have never taught in a classroom. No Child Left Behind is a pathetic joke..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pal1800 View Post
    What's the difference, the majority of public education is a pathetic failure. They spend more per student than the private schools and they still put out a Fucked Up product.
    Really? Who's "they"? The majority of teachers I work with work their asses off every day. The "fucked up product" isn't necessarily the teacher's bad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HippieLettuce View Post
    Without a doubt. Many people "in charge" of education have never taught in a classroom. No Child Left Behind is a pathetic joke..
    hell, most of the people teaching in a classroom aren't all that educated. It's the easiest thing in the world to get a teaching certificate. Don't get me started on the quality (or lack thereof) of teachers in our public schools today. I've heard teachers who speak in double negatives, say "axed" when they mean "ask" and couldn't explain the difference between the war of 1812 and The War for Independance. Our public schools are flooded with people who are teaching because they couldn't do anything else and wanted summers off and good health benefits. I worked with some of the crappiest excuses for educators you can imagine. Good teachers are retiring and moving to different schools just to get away from these jackasses. So just as at fault as the administrators are the teachers and just as at fault as the teachers are the parents who don't hold their own children accountable and don't take the responsibility of making sure their children are learning like they should and just as at fault as the parents so are the idiot kids who aren't open to receiving an education and just as at fault as the kids so is our whole damn culture for saying that it's UNamerican to push our kids the way other countries we consider beneath us or (perish the thought) socialist push their kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broken9500 View Post
    It's the easiest thing in the world to get a teaching certificate. Don't get me started on the quality (or lack thereof) of teachers in our public schools today. Our public schools are flooded with people who are teaching because they couldn't do anything else.
    I don't know if I'd generalize as much as you're doing. I worked long, long hours to get my credential so it depends on where you go to school. I would say most of the teachers I've met in my district are exceptional at what they do and could make a living doing many other things if it came to it. Teaching is a difficult and very emotionally draining job. I don't know if you teach, but I sometimes get the impression that those who have never taught in a public school don't quite understand the energy it takes to do the job well.

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    My brother was a teacher for years and put a lot of effort into his job-too much if you ask me. It's a lot of work to be a good to great teacher no doubt. But it doesn't take much effort to be a shitty teacher or a shitty assembly line guy, or cop, or lawyer, etc. Everyone has to perform well in order to keep their job. Education is no different. Hopefully the good teachers keep their jobs. I know plenty of good, hard workers who have lost their jobs in the corporate world, while some of their colleagues got to keep their jobs (even though they underperformed). Unfortunately bs politics and money are the main factors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippieLettuce View Post
    I don't know if I'd generalize as much as you're doing. I worked long, long hours to get my credential so it depends on where you go to school. I would say most of the teachers I've met in my district are exceptional at what they do and could make a living doing many other things if it came to it. Teaching is a difficult and very emotionally draining job. I don't know if you teach, but I sometimes get the impression that those who have never taught in a public school don't quite understand the energy it takes to do the job well.
    I have to agree. That was a pretty stupid broad brush to use. Texas requires multiple tests in order to be certified to teach.

    As far as private school versus public, there is a reason higher level kids come from private in general. Public school teachers and administrators are forced to deal with all kids not just select kids. I have been in education for 14 years as has my wife. The last 5 have been as an administrator. IMO the problem with education is too much standardized testing.

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    I live in a mostly rural area with residential tax base and not alot of business. A lot of folks are land rich, dirt poor. Our teachers ahve been without a conract fr the past five years and went on strike during the whole month of november which means my child will be in school until the end of July. It's salary vs health benefits. The school board will not budge and neither will the teachers. The school board says they are saving the district money and the teachers have said that they their counterproposal is saving the district money. The best part is the Union rep and teachers rep are both from cities two hours away and most sessions get canceled because one or both cannot make it. It has gotten down to personalities and the children ultimately suffer. They have tried to pass legistation here in Pa. that disallows teacher strikes. Meanwhile they have been through multiple nion reps, negotiators and union board solicitors and nothing gets accomplished. Mean while in the mix is shutting down schools , combining classes etc. which means transportation costs go up. It's sad because the district does very well in educational ratings and my daughters teachers are experienced and well intentioned. And the beat goes on..............

 

 

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