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    Default "Without you" rocks better in headphones!!!

    I'm old school, so I dont have a ipod. I just have an old casette walkman, but it delivers great sound. Recently, I made a cool compilation of VH's best stuff from 96 onwards.
    Its been awhile since I've really listened to "Without you", but while I was on the bus to work the other day, I had it up full blast and it fucking rocked. Seriously, this has grown on me so much, and you can only appreciate it, when its up loud. The part in it where Gary sings "Point i'm gonna make", and the "We'll find a way" harmony at the same time, gives me chills. They must've rocked out when they recorded this, and its easily the best song off the album by far. Overall, I'm not a "VHIII" fan, but this song rocks turned up loud.
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    Without You and One I Want are 2 incredible hyper-modern tunes. imo.

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    YEAH!

    I have to say that I am extremely proud that you both have come to this conclusion. (applause)

    "Without You" KICKS ASS!!

    The whole effin VHIII album does! I highly suggest that y'all listen to the whole thing full blast.....you will thank me later.

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    From Afar is quite unique too. Very underappreciated song.

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    without you, from afar, one i want, dirty water dog, once, year to the day...and on and on and on...great record with a very aggressive "modern" sound. Van Halen hadn't sounded that fresh and aggressive in years.

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    One realization I have come to with VHIII is that the whole album sounds out of tune.

    I don't know if Ed was going for some weird tunings, I haven't looked at any of the tabs and I can't tell by ear.

    Or maybe Gary's voice and Ed's tone are not a good match.

    I don't know, the ingredients are there, but to my ears the whole album is just a jumbled discordant mess.

    I can appreciate their effort and what they were trying to do, but I had Without You come on my iPod today followed by Up For Breakfast and the difference is startling. Granted, Up For Breakfast may have some of the dumbest lyrics in the history of VH, but the music itself sounds loads better than anything off of III, and to me, that is Mike Post's fault.

    Not having a real producer really hurt VHIII in my humble opinion, it just doesn't sound good and Gary's vocals are ear piercing off key at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    One realization I have come to with VHIII is that the whole album sounds out of tune.

    I don't know if Ed was going for some weird tunings, I haven't looked at any of the tabs and I can't tell by ear.

    Or maybe Gary's voice and Ed's tone are not a good match.

    I don't know, the ingredients are there, but to my ears the whole album is just a jumbled discordant mess.

    I can appreciate their effort and what they were trying to do, but I had Without You come on my iPod today followed by Up For Breakfast and the difference is startling. Granted, Up For Breakfast may have some of the dumbest lyrics in the history of VH, but the music itself sounds loads better than anything off of III, and to me, that is Mike Post's fault.

    Not having a real producer really hurt VHIII in my humble opinion, it just doesn't sound good and Gary's vocals are ear piercing off key at times.
    funny you bring up the idea of gary's voice and ed's guitar tone perhaps simply not being a good match for one another. I read an interview year's ago with Gary and another with Nuno where they talked about working with one another and how they go about writing, arranging and producing. Evidently Nuno painstakingly goes over everything, from guitar, bass and drum "tones" to the actual vowel and consenant sounds Gary would use trying to match up the right guitar chords and instrument sounds with the right texture in their voices, right phrasing of the words and specific letter sounds. Evidently some letter sounds sound better with certain chords than other's.

    Whether that is all steeped in rock lore painting Nuno as the insane autuer or it's true, I do know this: Extreme records are incredibly cohesive perfect sounding records...particularly from Porno on.

    I've often felt that Ed, despite his desire and talent, perhaps does not have the skills or discipline (or maybe the emotional/psycological distance) necessary to produce himself.

    I do think a better mix would have served the record, bring the bass and the backing vocals slightly up a bit more, bring Gary's vocal up in a few spots and back off the guitar slightly in places. I think a good producer could have taken care of these things.

    But I do think the songs are incredible, the performances awesome and the general vibe of the record was beautiful. I'll grant that some of the mixing isn't great, but I have always loved the song structure, words and arrangements. I've never gotten the whole "it sounds disjointed" or "fragmented" or that the songs don't seem complete. I think they're fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broken9500 View Post
    ...and on and on and on...great record with a very aggressive "modern" sound. Van Halen hadn't sounded that fresh and aggressive in years.
    Is that what is passing for "poorly recorded" nowadays? Reminds me of Guitar World's assessment of III being a "bold" album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    Is that what is passing for "poorly recorded" nowadays? Reminds me of Guitar World's assessment of III being a "bold" album.

    But they made up for it with all the great material they have released since kicking Gary out the door...oh yeah.

    Well, at least they made up for it with Dave in 2000...oh yeah.

    Let's not forget the album with Sam after the 2004 tour...hmm.

    But hey, we will see them in the future, remember, they promised a DVD and new album...damn.



    According to many, they have a finished or nearly finished album with Gary, and about six songs that they did demos for with Dave from the 2000-2001 sessions. I just do not understand why they can't put an album out.

    Ok, off my soapbox!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pickslide View Post
    From Afar is quite unique too. Very underappreciated song.

    TK

    Yep! And " How Many Say I" is underappreciated also.

    Y'all don't start giving me hell. I happen to love Ed's voice thank you, and I don't care what y'all say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmie5150 View Post
    Yep! And " How Many Say I" is underappreciated also.

    Y'all don't start giving me hell. I happen to love Ed's voice thank you, and I don't care what y'all say.
    I like his voice okay. Rather hear it sing blues. And the piano part is pretty. But the lyrics are crap and it develops way too slowly, too many long pauses (BA-BUM!). Like the cello bit, though. Could have been good, too unpolished. Belonged on a "never released" disk from their never-to-be-released box set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickslide View Post
    I like his voice okay. Rather hear it sing blues. And the piano part is pretty. But the lyrics are crap and it develops way too slowly, too many long pauses (BA-BUM!). Like the cello bit, though. Could have been good, too unpolished. Belonged on a "never released" disk from their never-to-be-released box set.

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    Pickslide, I warned you.......DON'T TALK ABOUT MY EDDIE DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!



    Ahhh, k, now, The piano part is "pretty"? Nope, it is BEAUTIFUL, and the lyrics are not crap. I think thet are pretty too. Eddie has a good signing voice....I love everything about that song.....but I love everything about Eddie, right down to his holey boots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    Is that what is passing for "poorly recorded" nowadays? Reminds me of Guitar World's assessment of III being a "bold" album.

    see...i just don't look at it as a very poorly recorded album. Like I said, there are parts here and there that I'd change, not musically mind you, just sonically but in my eyes those things are nit-picky.

    I do think the record had a very aggressive and unique vibe to it, much different than anything they recorded.

    Never did read that Guitar World article though...i'd love to read it if someone has a link!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmie5150 View Post
    Pickslide, I warned you.......DON'T TALK ABOUT MY EDDIE DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!



    Ahhh, k, now, The piano part is "pretty"? Nope, it is BEAUTIFUL, and the lyrics are not crap. I think thet are pretty too. Eddie has a good signing voice....I love everything about that song.....but I love everything about Eddie, right down to his holey boots.
    Um, I think Pickslide was trying to be polite. I know you're an admitted Ed fanatic, but c'mon. This is getting scary now. There's limits. There's not much in the VH catalog that is unlistenable for me, including most of III. But HMSI is absolutely cringe-inducing. I'm actually embarrassed for Ed when I hear this. This was his most WTF moment by far. Sorry Kimmie. You probably didn't want to hear that, but admitting your mistakes/problems is the first step to recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broken9500 View Post
    funny you bring up the idea of gary's voice and ed's guitar tone perhaps simply not being a good match for one another. I read an interview year's ago with Gary and another with Nuno where they talked about working with one another and how they go about writing, arranging and producing. Evidently Nuno painstakingly goes over everything, from guitar, bass and drum "tones" to the actual vowel and consenant sounds Gary would use trying to match up the right guitar chords and instrument sounds with the right texture in their voices, right phrasing of the words and specific letter sounds. Evidently some letter sounds sound better with certain chords than other's.

    Whether that is all steeped in rock lore painting Nuno as the insane autuer or it's true, I do know this: Extreme records are incredibly cohesive perfect sounding records...particularly from Porno on.

    I've often felt that Ed, despite his desire and talent, perhaps does not have the skills or discipline (or maybe the emotional/psycological distance) necessary to produce himself.

    I do think a better mix would have served the record, bring the bass and the backing vocals slightly up a bit more, bring Gary's vocal up in a few spots and back off the guitar slightly in places. I think a good producer could have taken care of these things.

    But I do think the songs are incredible, the performances awesome and the general vibe of the record was beautiful. I'll grant that some of the mixing isn't great, but I have always loved the song structure, words and arrangements. I've never gotten the whole "it sounds disjointed" or "fragmented" or that the songs don't seem complete. I think they're fantastic.
    I'll just say thanks broken, and leave it at that. That made my day for various reasons.

 

 

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