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    Just breaking on the BBC world news.

    Gunmen (unknown number and nationality) have gone crazy in Mumbai. The death toll so far is 80 with another 250 injured. The numbers of course will rise.

    What is so scary is that there appears to have been quite a lot of shooters and it was a very well planned and coordinated attack. Not just some random nutter on a killing spree because he lost his job.

    Let's all hope that the finger of blame doesn't point back to Pakistan, and especially, it's government or ISI.

    Watch the fallout from this one.
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    Early reports say the gunmen were targeting Brits and Americans.

    This is going to be ugly.

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    At least 82 killed as gunmen rampage in India city
    By RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM, Associated Press Writer Ramola Talwar Badam, Associated Press Writer
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    MUMBAI, India Teams of gunmen stormed luxury hotels, a popular restaurant, hospitals and a crowded train station in coordinated attacks across India's financial capital, killing at least 82 people, taking Westerners hostage and leaving parts of the city under siege Thursday, police said. A group of suspected Muslim militants claimed responsibility.

    Police and gunmen were exchanging occasional gunfire near dawn at two luxury hotels and an unknown number of people still held hostage, said A.N. Roy, a top police official.

    A raging fire and explosions struck the landmark Taj Mahal hotel shortly after midnight. Screams could be heard and black smoke billowed from the century-old edifice on Mumbai's waterfront. Firefighters sprayed water at the blaze and plucked people from windows and balconies with extension ladders. By dawn, the fire was still burning, but had calmed considerably.

    The attackers specifically targeted Britons and Americans at the hotels and restaurant, witnesses said. Officials said at least 120 people were wounded.

    Alex Chamberlain, a British citizen who was dining at the upscale Oberoi hotel, told Sky News television that a gunman ushered 30 to 40 people from the restaurant into a stairway and, speaking in Hindi or Urdu, ordered everyone to put up their hands

    "They were talking about British and Americans specifically. There was an Italian guy, who, you know, they said: 'Where are you from?" and he said he's from Italy and they said 'fine' and they left him alone. And I thought: 'Fine, they're going to shoot me if they ask me anything and thank God they didn't," he said.

    Chamberlain said he managed to slip away as the patrons were forced to walk up stairs, but he thought much of the group was being held hostage.

    The motive for the onslaught was not immediately clear, but Mumbai has frequently been targeted in terrorist attacks blamed on Islamic extremists, including a series of bombings in July 2006 that killed 187 people.

    Early Thursday, state home secretary Bipin Shrimali said four suspects had been killed in two incidents when they tried to flee in cars, and Roy said two more gunmen were killed at the Taj Mahal. State Home Minister R.R. Patil said nine more were arrested. They declined to provide any further details.

    "We're gong to catch them dead or alive," Patil told reporters. "An attack on Mumbai is an attack on the rest of the country."

    An Indian media report said a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen had claimed responsibility for the attacks in e-mails to several media outlets. There was no way to verify that claim.

    Police reported hostages being held at the Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotels, two of the best-known upscale destinations in this crowded but wealthy city.

    Gunmen who burst into the Taj "were targeting foreigners. They kept shouting: `Who has U.S. or U.K. passports?'" said Ashok Patel, a British citizen who fled from the hotel.

    Authorities believed seven to 15 foreigners were hostages at the Taj Mahal hotel, said Anees Ahmed, a top state official. It was also unclear where the hostages were in the Taj Mahal, which is divided into an older wing, which was in flames, and a modern tower that was not on fire.

    State Department spokesman Robert Wood said U.S. officials were not aware of any American casualties, but were still checking. He said he could not address reports that Westerners might be among the hostages.

    "We condemn these attacks and the loss of innocent life," White House spokesman Tony Fratto said.

    Johnny Joseph, chief secretary for Maharashtra state, of which Mumbai is the capital, said 82 people had been killed and 120 had been wounded.

    Officials at Bombay Hospital, speaking on condition of anonymity, said a Japanese man had died there and nine Europeans had been admitted, three of them in critical condition with gunshots. All had come from the Taj Mahal, the officials said.

    At least three top Indian police officers including the chief of the anti-terror squad were among those killed, said Roy.

    Blood smeared the floor of the Chhatrapati Shivaji rail station, where attackers sprayed bullets into the crowded terminal.

    Nasim Inam's hands shook when he spoke of seeing four attackers gunning down commuters as they walked to catch late trains home.

    "They wore black T-shirts and blue jeans. They were carrying big guns," said Inam. "They just fired randomly at people and then ran away. In seconds, people fell to the ground."

    Other gunmen attacked Leopold's restaurant, a landmark popular with foreigners, and the police headquarters in southern Mumbai, the area where most of the attacks took place. The restaurant was riddled with bullet holes and there were blood on the floor and shoes left by fleeing customers. Gunmen also attacked Cama and Albless Hospital and G.T. Hospital, though it was not immediately clear if anyone was killed.

    Early Thursday, several European lawmakers were among people who barricaded themselves inside the Taj, a century-old seaside hotel complex and one of the city's best-known destinations.

    "I was in the main lobby and there was all of a sudden a lot of firing outside," said Sajjad Karim, part of a delegation of European lawmakers visiting Mumbai ahead of a European Union-India summit.

    As he turned to get away, "all of a sudden another gunmen appeared in front of us, carrying machine gun-type weapons. And he just started firing at us ... I just turned and ran in the opposite direction," he told The Associated Press over his mobile phone.

    Hours later, Karim remained holed up in a hotel restaurant, unsure if it was safe to come out.

    Britain's foreign secretary, David Miliband, strongly condemned the attacks. "Today's attacks in Mumbai which have claimed many innocent victims remind us, yet again, of the threat we face from violent extremists," Miliband said in a statement.

    India has been wracked by bomb attacks the past three years, which police blame on Muslim militants intent on destabilizing this largely Hindu country. Nearly 700 people have died.

    Since May a militant group calling itself the Indian Mujahideen has taken credit for a string of blasts that killed more than 130 people. The most recent was in September, when a series of explosions struck a park and crowded shopping areas in the capital, New Delhi, killing 21 people and wounding about 100.

    Relations between Hindus, who make up more than 80 percent of India's 1 billion population, and Muslims, who make up about 14 percent, have sporadically erupted into bouts of sectarian violence since British-ruled India was split into independent India and Pakistan in 1947.
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    Besides the gunmen that they have already been killed, there are terrorists involved in this rampage that have been captured....

    They need to be WATERBOARDED until all the information needed is extracted from them....

    Then, the criminals need to be publicy executed.. on National TV....

    Sorry is this suggestion offends Bleeding Hearts, or those that think that these terrorists are merely "Freedom Fighters" .....

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    Al Jazeera and the BBC have had excellent round the clock coverage for the
    last 20 hours or so. Over 100 dead in bombings and gunfire. They targeted
    tourist havens and Jewish landmarks, but most of the dead are Indian. RIP.
    Meanwhile FOX is rerunning Greta's Van Fluffjob's Palin interview 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistere View Post
    Al Jazeera and the BBC have had excellent round the clock coverage ......
    ...........Meanwhile FOX is rerunning Greta's Van Fluffjob's Palin interview 2.
    Says it all.

    Can't believe these guys are still fighting though. How much ammo (and guts) did they bring with them? I thought this thing might be over quickly but I guess they chose their targets to make a statement and the longer they do that the more attention they will get. 125 dead. 350 plus injured. Pretty horrific stuff.

    The Indian PM is already stating that they came from outside India (surprise surprise) and is vowing "revenge". I always feel a bit safer when a world leader uses the word "justice" - Revenge can get a tad messy.

    Though i haven't seen it, I do hope that the Pakistani authorities voiced their disgust at the events along with all the usual suspects eg. UK, US etc

    The most worrying aspect of this though is the fact that this was guns. Strap on a bomb and it's over quickly. It has a finite range and effect, it may not even work, the guy is dead, it is a costly and difficult and time consuming process. Any group of fuckers can get some guns and ammo and, with very little effort, can cause a big mess and perhaps even get away to come back another day. This is anonymous groups getting bolder, coming out into the open for operations. It might make them easier to close down (probably not if you're talking about cells) but they can do a lot more damage.

    Just the beginning of a new era methinks.
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    NEW YORK A New York couple who recognized the threat of terrorism in India but believed their mission of spreading Jewish pride was greater than the potential danger were slain in a series of attacks across Mumbai that have killed at least five Americans.

    Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg, 29, and his wife, Rivkah, 28, died in the attack on the ultra-Orthodox Chabad-Lubavitch movement's center in Mumbai, Rabbi Zalman Shmotkin said in New York.



    The group said three other victims in the building apparently had been visiting there. Shmotkin said the dead included Bentzion Chroman, an Israeli with dual U.S. citizenship; Rabbi Leibish Teitlebaum, an American from Brooklyn; and an Israeli woman whose name was not released. The Israeli Foreign Ministry said the body of a fourth victim, an unidentified woman, was also found inside the five-story building.

    Some of the victims had been bound.

    The Holtzbergs' toddler son, Moshe, was rescued by an employee and taken to his grandparents.

    More than 150 people had been killed since gunmen attacked 10 sites across India's financial capital, Mumbai, also known as Bombay, starting Wednesday night, officials said.

    Also killed were a man and his teenage daughter from a Virginia community that promotes a form of meditation, a colleague said Friday. Alan Scherr, 58, and daughter Naomi, 13, died in a cafe Wednesday night, said Bobbie Garvey, a spokeswoman for the Synchronicity Foundation.

    The U.S. State Department confirmed their deaths.

    Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the deaths of the three victims from New York were "tragic losses" for the city. He said Teitelbaum, a Brooklyn native who moved to Jerusalem several years ago, was a kosher food supervisor.

    "Our hearts go out to these families and to the many New Yorkers of all different religions and ethnicities who have been affected by the attacks," he said.

    Members of the Chabad-Lubavitch movement gathered at the group's headquarters Friday to pray for the families of the dead.

    "Gabi and Rivky Holtzberg made the ultimate sacrifice," said Rabbi Moshe Kotlarsky, vice chairman of the educational arm of Chabad-Lubavitch.

    "As emissaries to Mumbai, Gabi and Rivky gave up the comforts of the West in order to spread Jewish pride in a corner of the world that was a frequent stop for throngs of Israeli tourists," he said.

    Shmotkin said at least three of the five victims at the center held U.S. citizenship: Teitlebaum was an American from Brooklyn, while the Israeli-born rabbi, who moved to the U.S. as a child, and Chroman both had dual Israeli-U.S. citizenship. Officials here were not sure whether Rivkah Holtzberg, also born in Israel, had obtained dual citizenship.

    Twelve hours after gunmen stormed the center Wednesday, Sandra Samuel, a cook at the center, heard little Moshe's cries outside the room in which she had barricaded herself. She opened the door, grabbed the toddler and ran outside with another center worker. The little boy's pants were soaked with blood, and Samuel said she saw four people lying on the floor as she fled.

    Kotlarsky said Holtzberg's last known call was to the Israeli consulate. He said that "the situation is not good" before the phone went dead, according to Kotlarsky.

    The Holtzbergs arrived in Mumbai in 2003 to run a synagogue, provide religious instruction and help people dealing with drug addiction and poverty, Kotlarsky said.

    Hillary Lewin, a New Yorker met the Holtzbergs last summer at the center in India, said both the rabbi and his wife were aware of possible terrorism, but believed their mission was greater than the potential danger.

    Their attitude was "If I don't do it, who's going to do it?", Lewin said.

    Rabbi Yehuda Krinsky said Moshe will turn 2 on Saturday. "Today, he became an orphan," he said. A second son, who has been ailing, was with relatives in Israel when the attack happened. A third child died earlier this year of a genetic disease, the group said.

    The Scherrs were among 25 foundation participants in a spiritual program in Mumbai. Four others on the mission were injured in the cafe attack in the luxury Oberoi hotel, Garvey said, including two women from Tennessee.

    "I would call them bright stars," Garvey said of the Scherrs. "Extraordinary, bright, very positive examples to the world."

    Scherr was a former college professor who lived at the Synchronicity sanctuary about 15 miles southwest of Charlottesville. His wife, Kia, and her two sons did not travel with them to India.

    According to the foundation's Web site, the community is led by Master Charles, a former leading disciple of Swami Paramahansa Muktananda. He is described as "one of the most popular spiritual teachers from India to build a following the West in the 1970s." He taught a form of yoga.

    Garvey identified the Synchronicity injured as Helen Connolly of Toronto, who was grazed by a bullet; Rudrani Devi and Linda Ragsdale, both of Nashville, who both underwent surgery for bullet wounds; and Michael Rudder of Montreal, who remains in intensive care after being shot three times. Other members of the mission narrowly escaped the attack.
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    What a bunch of assholes.

    What did Jews in India ever do to anybody?

    What was achieved? What political gain was advanced by this?

    I hope the Indian intelligence introduce these worms to whole new dimesions in pain and suffering.
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    very disgusting scene.

    The one think I liked seeing though was the way the Indian army deals with these types of people. I didn't see many people led out in handcuffs - they tend to have a "see a terrorist - kill a terrorist policy" in India. I like this policy in situations like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by it's me View Post
    very disgusting scene.

    The one think I liked seeing though was the way the Indian army deals with these types of people. I didn't see many people led out in handcuffs - they tend to have a "see a terrorist - kill a terrorist policy" in India. I like this policy in situations like this.
    No Red Cross inspections at Guantanamo for those Fuckers....

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    They struck from the sea. They hijacked a fishing boat, killed the crew and sailed right up to their target.

    They did a dry run in 2007:

    http://www.hindu.com/2008/11/28/stor...2861921200.htm

    The hijack fishing boat:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/M...ow/3770611.cms

    Airports put on high security:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/M...ow/3770611.cms

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    No Red Cross inspections at Guantanamo for those Fuckers....
    as well there shouldn't be. I was talking to a co-worker yesterday who has spent most of his life in India and he thinks it's gonna be a pretty violent time over the next little while. I wouldn't want to be a terror suspect in India over the next little while as their fair trial lasts about 5 seconds with a soldier with a machine guy acting as the judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by it's me View Post
    as well there shouldn't be. I was talking to a co-worker yesterday who has spent most of his life in India and he thinks it's gonna be a pretty violent time over the next little while. I wouldn't want to be a terror suspect in India over the next little while as their fair trial lasts about 5 seconds with a soldier with a machine guy acting as the judge.
    For sure. India has signed some very big international deals recently
    and the last thing they want is anything that might rock the boat. Mind you, they don't seem to be too slow at pointing the finger of blame directly at Pakistan's government. They need to play this one right and not go jumping at the first target they set their sights on. Likewise, Pakistan needs to honour it's initial declarations and send an envoy of top people, not the lower level entourage now suggested.

    Unfortunately, I had the bad fortune to watch some of CNN's "coverage" of these events. Some of the most reckless and irresponsible, not to mention ridiculous, reporting I have ever seen. What with their constant parade of so-called experts, mentioning Al Qaeda every breath they can muster (surely by now they have worked out that Al Qaeda is not an organisation in the traditional sense of the word), bringing up the fact that they and their neighbours are nuclear powers whenever possible, pointless human interest stories with very thinly veiled angles (probably largely based on the fact that the deals give a certain "help") and a general mix of sensationalism and just plain dumb statements.

    As if this part of the world didn't have enough problems to contend with, CNN just arrived with a big fucking spoon. "Let's do some stirring. The best stirring team on TV" etc.

    This thing has affected Indian, and by all accounts, Pakistani, people on a very personal level. Hopefullly, cool heads willl prevail in the positions that make a difference. Left to their own devices, there is just the slimmest chance the sub-continent might make good on some of the olive branches they were extending until recently. Situations like this have a habit of causing big shifts, for the better or the worse.

    Left to their own devices is a bit of a pipe dream though.
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    It was an (up to now) unknown group, the name escapes me, but this was their big break out move.

    As far as AQ goes, at this point in time they have links to just about everybody which means bupkis. The fact that they haven't been on the net and Al Jazeera taking credit for this is the best indicator that this was not their baby.

    Frankly, this attack wasn't big enough for Al Qaeda.
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