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    Driving last night with songs on shuffle I hit two great old VH songs followed by a recent Deep Purple song. It made me think.

    I was thinking how great it is that DP still produce albums and tour almost non stop and how I'm happy that they can just turn out good music for their and their fans enjoyment, and it IS good but doesn't end up on "the charts" or the radio.

    Then it hit me that that might be the problem with VH. I'd LOVE to hear a full new album of VH with DLR and I guarantee there would diamonds and rocks in that album. I also guarantee that it wont chart and particularly here in Aus, definitely no radio play and THAT might be the problem. VH is such an iconic monster (particularly in US) and their fans have such incredible expectations of them, that anything other than chart success & radio play will be deemed a failure and get panned by critics & fans alike. They could well be thinking, "why bother".

    They are on a hiding to nothing. If they do an album, no matter how good it is, it will not be #1 and will not get radio play. It will not please critics and prbably a lot of fans. It is also becoming a more difficult method of making $$$$ and now that they are not backed by WB it is inherently more risky to the band. I can see how there is not a huge incentive for them.

    This is all without even taking into consideration possible/probable personality conflicts within the band.

    Hope I'm wrong.

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    I see where you are coming from on this but to be honest any record label would put out a VH album, it would sell. Might not go quad platnum but what does these days besides Jay-Z or some shit. If Azoff is involved, he'll make it happen. I guess my only concern would be the conflict part. But who's to say Ed being off the sauce hasn't made him more approachable and receptive to ideas. And with Wolf there I think the sky is the limit.

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    While I agree with a number of your points, I am of the view that if a new DLR fronted VH album were to be released in the same vein as The Eagles, AC/DC and Journey, it would would easily double the sales of VHIII and likely go on much further than that.
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    Agreed. Didn't stop AC/DC from putting out a new album and promoting the HELL out of it.

    You can't hardly watch a sporting event right now and not hear at least one AC/DC song.
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    Fans & critics are not the problem here...

    It's the lazy-assed band that won't get off their punk asses and work. The Van Halens and Roth are all far too young to retire. They know it. We know it.

    All of us have contributions and accomplishments to be made until our time is up. If you aren't working it... then you'd be an oxygen thief!!
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    Musicians write and record music and perform,period.Fans are not the problem we are the answer. I really think if they put their soul into it they have one good album left to give.

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    Van Halen fans can fret endlessly over the fall and stall of the band post-1998, but it has everything to do (and only to do) with the fundamental decision-making abilities of the "band" (Ed and Al). There's infinite speculation out there, more half-truths than most care to sift through, a couple of reunions, and a few legitimate life events (cancer, addiction, divorce) that have filled the past ten years. When Van Halen produces the fans are there (e.g. the VH III tour, the 2004 tour, the 2007-2008 tour). Record sales are not what they once were (nor will they ever be that way again), but the fans, in some capacity, would be there for new music. Perhaps that's not good enough for VH; perhaps my previous statement is merely more speculation. Regardless, the reason Van Halen has hardly been a band for ten years is because of Van Halen--nothing more, nothing less.

    It seems most new threads in Main start with a question mark. Anyone else notice that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHalenRules View Post
    While I agree with a number of your points, I am of the view that if a new DLR fronted VH album were to be released in the same vein as The Eagles, AC/DC and Journey, it would would easily double the sales of VHIII and likely go on much further than that.
    True...but then again I could shit in a bunch of boxes and put in on Ebay and market them as Magical Wizard Truffles and those would sell more than VHIII....
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    Fuck,why bother.....As Ed said,"they hate ya when you're the same,hate ya if you're different.." Somethin' like that anyways.....


    I say let them chill, they done kiddies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvH_316_5150 View Post
    True...but then again I could shit in a bunch of boxes and put in on Ebay and market them as Magical Wizard Truffles and those would sell more than VHIII....
    In that case, I will have to fully read and re-read any further eBay auctions before clicking the "Buy It Now" button.
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    Buyer beware.

    btw - In answer to the original post here, I don't think I'm the problem. Unless it's the fact that I'm too poor to keep forking over dough for tours and duplicate cd's.
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    The onus is on Edward and Alex; it's not on the fans.

    The band is often a punchline now, thanks to the revolving door right next to the microphone stand. Putting a kid in the lineup added more one-liners to the joke parade.

    With that said, no question the lukewarm reaction by fans to VHIII stung Eddie, but again, that's his onus, not ours.

    He has said in the past (paraphrasing here), "If we touch one person with our music, it's worth it."

    If fear of commercial failure is keeping the band from recording new tunes, that line is utter bullshit - which seems to be par for the course for this group.

    Glenn, you nailed it in your original post. No matter what they put out, it won't approach what they accomplished (commercially) at their apex.

    In my opinion, they ought to internalize that fact, suck it up, and rock.

    Or, retire.

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    No, we are not the problem.

    I'm relatively certian that DLR is not the problem. The fact that an album may not do well commercially has not stopped DLR from putting out new material in the past.

    Eddie is the problem. It has been stated repeatedly. There are new tracks in existance that DLR and VH have recorded together. DLR is chomping at the bit to release these songs, and has stated this.

    I personally believe that the major issue is Eddie's insecurity. For years he was in VH with pretty dominant personalities. Dave had a major influence in the direction of the music for CVH. Sammy was a larger-than-life personality, who had a major influence in the direction of the music. Once Eddie had an opportunity to create music his way, without anyone steering the direction of the music, it was a critical failure(VHIII) Gary Cherone was just happy to be in the band, and I'm sure wasn't going to tell Eddie Van Halen that he should do anything different. Anyway, I think that Eddie felt a tremendous amount of resentment toward the fans because they rejected his musical vision.

    I think that his idea behind VHIII was to take the band and the music into a new direction, and show DLR and Sammy that he didn't need them to be successful, and that the band's success was due to him and not the frontmen.

    When he did the 2004 tour, I think he did it under protest. I think he felt that going back to Sammy or Dave was a step backwards, and an admission that VH had nothing new to offer, and was a nostalgia act.

    This theory would explain alot about his behavior. "Okay, so now VH is a nostalgia act. This is what the fans want, why not cash in? Stripe up some guitars, pedals and sell them. Charge a shit-load for tickets, and give the fans what they want to see."

    Throw alcoholism, a failing marriage, a bout with cancer, and fan rejection all together, and you get the 2004 tour.

    I still hold out hope for a new album, but I won't be at all suprised if it doesn't happen.

    The reason I still hold out hope is all to do with DLR. He hasn't broke-bad on Eddie yet. All is quiet. If there was no hope for new material, and DLR felt that he was used for a cash-grab tour with no future, he would break all ties with Eddie and start talking shit. Since that hasn't happened, I think there is still a chance.
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    Blame Canada.
    Nope, I blame South America. Any continent that exports alpacas is subject to suspicion.
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