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    Kids, there was once a time when handling nuclear weapons and sensitive hardware bordered on a religion or strange cult. Today, not so much:

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    17 officers disciplined in missile misstep

    By William H. McMichael and Michael Hoffman - Staff writers
    Posted : Friday Sep 26, 2008 8:29:36 EDT

    The Air Force has administratively disciplined 15 Air Force officers — six generals and nine colonels — and the Army has similarly disciplined two of its brigadier generals over a mistaken August 2006 shipment of classified ballistic missile components to Taiwan.

    While both the Air Force and Army actions are administrative in nature, the Air Force actions have a far more serious tone.

    The Air Force generals receiving administrative actions include:

    * Lt. Gen. Kevin J. Sullivan, deputy chief of staff for logistics, installations and mission support, Air Force Headquarters;

    * Lt. Gen. Michael A. Hamel, commander of the Space and Missile Systems Center;

    * Maj. Gen. Roger W. Burg, commander, 20th Air Force, F.E. Warren Air Force Base, Wyo;

    * Maj. Gen. Kathleen D. Close, commander, Ogden Logistics Center, Utah;

    * Brig. Gen. Francis M. Bruno, director of logistics, Air Force Material Command, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio; and

    * Brig. Gen. Arthur B. Cameron III, director of Resource Integration, Air Force Headquarters.

    Sullivan received a letter of reprimand, the harshest penalty meted out to a general. The five other generals received letters of admonishment, considered slightly less harmful to an airman’s career.

    Air Force officials didn’t release the names of the colonels or where they are assigned. Their punishments included five letters of reprimand, three letters of admonishment and one letter of counseling. Three of the colonels lost their commands.

    All of the punishments dealt solely with the Taiwan incident — not with the mistaken flight of six nuclear-tipped missiles on a B-52 from Minot Air Force Base, N.D., to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., in August 2007.

    Acting Air Force Secretary Michael Donley said the punishments “can carry with them substantial consequences for the careers of these officers, including their potential to command, to be promoted, or to retire in their current grade.”

    “We recognize the years of dedicated service that these officers have given, but we cannot ignore the breaches of trust that have occurred on their watch,” Donley said.

    However, Donley and Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz decided not to fire or request the resignations of the officers, as Defense Secretary Robert Gates did when he requested the resignations of former Secretary of the Air Force Michael Wynne and former Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael “Buzz” Moseley.

    The letters will remain in the officers’ records and will be considered when they come up for promotion, which must be considered for performance reports, promotions, assignments, and in certain circumstances, for grade determinations upon retirement.

    “We came to conclusion after careful evaluation that we could place our respective trust in their continued service. They certainly are on notice that there is no room for error here and if they should abuse that trust it won’t take but a millisecond to react,” Schwartz said.

    In contrast, the “memorandum of concern” the Army issued to its two generals is not punitive in nature and is equivalent to a counseling statement, an Army official said.

    The Army officers were identified as Brig. Gens. Lynn A. Collyar and Michael J. Lally III.

    The two commanded the Defense Distribution Center in New Cumberland, Pa., a sub-agency of the Defense Logistics Agency that has oversight over 26 distribution centers, including Hill Defense Distribution Depot, Utah, from where the parts were initially shipped.

    Collyar commanded the DDC from August 2006 to June 2008, and Lally led the organization from August 2004 to August 2006.

    Collyar and Lally were “not directly responsible” for the errant shipment, an Army official said, adding that the Army thinks “both have learned from this experience” and that “both can serve with distinction in the future.”

    According to an Army press release, Collyar is the commanding general of the U.S. Army Ordnance Center and School at Aberdeen Proving Ground, Md., while Lally commands the 3rd Expeditionary Sustainment Command, now deployed to Iraq.

    In a June report to the secretary of defense — which has never been publicly released — Navy Adm. Kirkland H. Donald found multiple issues related to DLA’s worldwide shipping program, the official said. These included the failure of Hill personnel in March 2005 to physically open shipping containers that were missing certain required markings but whose barcodes mistakenly indicated they contained helicopter batteries.

    Inside, however, were four fuses which trigger Minuteman III ballistic missiles — both nuclear and non-nuclear versions. Officials said the missing fuses should have been accounted for during quarterly inventories at Hill Air Force Base, Utah.

    Donley said the Air Force’s disciplinary measures close out personnel-related matters identified in the Donald report. “We’re not going to go back and second guess the decisions previously made,” Donley said.
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    Another question is why we need thousands of nuclear warheads when only say 20 of them would be enough to inflict serious damage and make anyone think twice about starting anything. Wouldn't it be preferable to sit down with the other nuclear powers and have them agree to reduce the number of nukes to a lower level? Coz with thousands of nukes around, u can never totally rule out an accident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Another question is why we need thousands of nuclear warheads when only say 20 of them would be enough to inflict serious damage and make anyone think twice about starting anything. Wouldn't it be preferable to sit down with the other nuclear powers and have them agree to reduce the number of nukes to a lower level? Coz with thousands of nukes around, u can never totally rule out an accident.
    It does seem as though it should be that easy, it won't ever occur. There was a time shortly after the fall of the Berlin Wall that I believed that all would be right with the world, but time has passed since then and proved to me that human nature and it's desire to fight with each other will never let us get to the point of a nuclear free planet. Who knows who else has these things and we don't know about it...hell, for all we know there's a rogue nation out there building a new version of the neutron bomb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Dreamer View Post
    Another question is why we need thousands of nuclear warheads when only say 20 of them would be enough to inflict serious damage and make anyone think twice about starting anything. Wouldn't it be preferable to sit down with the other nuclear powers and have them agree to reduce the number of nukes to a lower level? Coz with thousands of nukes around, u can never totally rule out an accident.

    Nuclear weapons are safer than most other weapons. Hell, they are safer than cars and power tools.

    Also, 20 nuclear warheads in the context of the U.S. vs Russia or China is only enough to make them real mad and nowhere near enough to have a tactical or strategic impact. There's a lot of places in the U.S. and Russia where you could drop the most powerful warhead and not hit anything.

    Also, if it has come down to a nuclear war - the actual release of nuclear weapons against another nation then according to U.S. doctrine there are already nuclear warheads headed our way so I doubt anybody is going to give a shit and I'm sure those who survive are going to hope we flattened the other guy.

    It would be neat if we could uninvent nukes but the only way they will go away is when we come up with something even worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
    Nuclear weapons are safer than most other weapons. Hell, they are safer than cars and power tools.

    Also, 20 nuclear warheads in the context of the U.S. vs Russia or China is only enough to make them real mad and nowhere near enough to have a tactical or strategic impact. There's a lot of places in the U.S. and Russia where you could drop the most powerful warhead and not hit anything.
    That's true.

    Besides, you can't forget those deadly meteors and aliens.

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    You should see my missile boner. Hayooo.

 

 

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