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    Default Was David Lee Roth ever bigger than Van Halen anywhere?

    My reputation for overthinking stuff must be quite cemented here. But I'm thinking again. I'm just thinking...

    Crazy from the Heat EP: Roth does a major press tour accross the world

    5150: Van Halen go on a 112 date tour of the USA/Canada

    Meanwhile.......

    Eat 'Em and Smile: David Lee Roth goes on the 107 date tour of the USA/Canada

    Fairly similar, though of course Van Halen's album sold a lot more in North America. It is worth noting that at the end of the 1980s, before the major commercial decline of Roth, 5150 was 4x Platinum and OU812 was 3x Platinum - even by this point Roth (with 2 Platinum albums and a Platinum EP) was lagging big time in the USA.

    Next up though........

    OU812: Van Halen go on an 80 date tour of the USA/Japan

    Meanwhile........

    Skyscraper: David Lee Roth goes on a 103 date tour of USA/Canada, then 42 date tour of the rest of the world. Numerous dates in Japan, Australia, UK, Europe

    If you look at Roth's tour history with Van Halen, he undertook major European tours in 1978, 1979, 1980, and did a small tour in 1984. They went to Japan in 1978 and 1979. Sammy Hagar rarely toured beyond the USA and Canada.

    So what I'm wondering is...Roth does a press tour in 1985, Roth does a large world tour in 1988, Roth has a bigger foreign audience coming from Van Halen while Sammy Hagar probably diminished Van Halen's foreign audience....though Van Halen were vastly bigger in North America for the latter half of the 1980s, who was bigger on a global scale?

    And on that note, who was playing the bigger venues? Who was charging more for tickets? Given Roth's setlists relied on older Van Halen more, I thought he could have actually been more popular in some places.

    I'm curious simply because generally people just say "Roth did great in the 80s, then stopped selling while Van Halen kept selling". In North America, Roth had already got far, far lower sales than his former band in the 1980s, though.

    I bet I just get told to stop thinking. ITS WHAT I DO.

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    Your stats will betray you.

    David Lee Roth has only been bigger than Van Halen twice.

    1985 and 2007/08

    Both times in his own mind only.

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    uh...no. but he sure as hell tried.
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    I don't know about bigger, but I do know about a critic picking a DLR release as better than a Van Halen/Hagar...and that was the video compilation DLR released over Live Without A Net....I remember reading that in Circus or some other mag back in the 80's....I remember it because until the Live Without A Net DVD was released I never saw it....all based on my mis-guided trust on a critic's opinion (ah..the folly of youth)...I remember thinking, after watching the DLR VHS if this is better than the VH release then the (VH) release must be some real crap.
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    Only comparison would be album sales. When ppl would go see Sammy-fronted VH in the 90s during their Euro tours, they were also going in order to hear the Roth-era tunes.

    I don't know what the sales figures are for the UK, for example. Maybe some of our British linker friends could research this.
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    Maybe in Europe because he still toured there through the ALAE tours. But I think that would be about it, and that is just because Van Halen pretty much ignored anything outside of North America after Dave left until Gary joined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 47 View Post
    Your stats will betray you.

    David Lee Roth has only been bigger than Van Halen twice.

    1985 and 2007/08

    Both times in his own mind only.
    LOL CLASSIC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 47 View Post
    Your stats will betray you.

    David Lee Roth has only been bigger than Van Halen twice.

    1985 and 2007/08

    Both times in his own mind only.


    LOL...Yep, nobody loves Dave quite like Dave does!! Bless his heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Elfoid_TFS View Post

    OU812: Van Halen go on an 80 date tour of the USA/Japan


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    Wish I would have gotten to see that tour. Must have been great. Just watching that ad brings back some good memories. L.A. gear and Sun Country, wow, hadn't heard those names in a long while. I do remember the girls really liking the wine coolers back in the late 80's.

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    Good arguement to say that Roth was bigger in UK in late eighties early nineties due to touring & some tv. Seem to recall ALAE reach #4 whereas VH didn't have a top 10 albumn here until Balance in 95

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    Interesting little fact I found out after some research: In Canada "A Little Ain't Enough" is certified Gold. It's the only album he released that got a certification, meaning the album he released in 1991 outsold both his 80s efforts.

    More interesting, here's Van Halen's Canadian certifications:
    "Van Halen" - 4x Platinum
    "Van Halen II" - 2x Platinum
    "Women and Children First" - 2x Platinum
    "Fair Warning" - Platinum
    "Diver Down" - Platinum
    "1984" - 5x Platinum
    "5150" - 3x Platinum
    "OU812" - ACHIEVED NO SALES CERTIFICATIONS
    "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" - Platinum
    "Live: Right Here, Right Now" - Gold
    "Balance" - 3x Platinum
    "Best of Volume I" - 3x Platinum
    "Van Halen III" - ACHIEVED NO SALES CERTIFICATIONS
    "The Best of Both Worlds" - ACHIEVED NO SALES CERTIFICATIONS

    Worth noting that Right Here Right Now is a double album, so sold half as many copies as "A Little Ain't Enough" to go Gold. The same is true for "The Best of Both Worlds" which did not even go Gold.

    That did come as a surprise, that an album Roth released in 1991 outsold OU812, Right Here Right Now and The Best of Both Worlds.

    UK Singles charts:
    * In 1988 Van Halen had a single peak at 28
    * In 1988 David Lee Roth had singles peak at 27 and 72
    * In 1989 Van Halen had a single peak at 63
    * In 1991 Van Halen had singles peak at 63 and 74
    * In 1991 David Lee Roth had a single peak at 32

    So Roth's single of 1991 did far, far better than Van Halen's. And of their 1988 releases, Roth had one chart one place higher. When I didn't list it, Van Halen were doing better than Roth, but never mind.

    UK album charts:
    * In 1978 "Van Halen" charted at 34
    * In 1979 "Van Halen II" charted at 23
    * In 1980 "Women and Children First" charted at 15
    * In 1981 "Fair Warning" failed to chart
    * In 1982 "Diver Down" charted at 36
    * In 1984 "1984" charted at 15
    * In 1986 "5150" charted at 16 (in comparison "Crazy from the Heat" did not chart and "Eat 'Em And Smile" got to 28)
    * In 1988 "OU812" charted at 16 (In 1988 "Skyscraper" got to 11)
    * In 1991 "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" charted at 12 (In 1991 "A Little Ain't Enough" got to 4)
    * In 1993 "Live: Right Here, Right Now" charted at 24
    * In 1995 "Balance" charted at 8 (In 1994 "Your Filthy Little Mouth" got to 28)
    * In 1997 "Best Of Volume 1" failed to chart
    * In 1998 "Van Halen III" failed to chart
    * In 2004 "The Best of Both Worlds" charted at 15

    "DLR Band" actually received no promotion whatsoever in Europe, being released by Roth's label and only coming out there a coupla years after the US release. So effectively no one heard about it, and no songs got played on his 1999 World Tour (which was the nearest tour to its release).

    Which reminds me, another thing worth noting: David Lee Roth's concerts promoted Van Halen and David Lee Roth music.
    On the 1986-1987 tour it was about Roth's career from 78 to 86
    On the 1988 tour it was about Roth's career from 78 to 88.
    On the 1991 tour it was about Roth's career from 78 to 91
    On the 1994 tour it was about Roth's career from 78 to 94
    On the 1999 tour it was about Roth's career from 78 to 86 (other than one song from 1998 on the first 8 dates)
    On the 2001 tour it was about Roth's career from 78 to 86

    I don't know the details on the 2002 and 2006 dates, but you get the deal. Roth spent his time promoting all his career, focussing more on Van Halen than David Lee Roth from the 1999 tour onwards. His tours probably shifted more Van Halen albums than David Lee Roth ones, so it's quite possible tour attendance for his shows was higher than for Van Halen ones at times but that this was not reflected in album sales. The 5150 tour involved the band playing almost all of 5150 and I think 4 original songs :|

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Elfoid_TFS View Post
    Interesting little fact I found out after some research: In Canada "A Little Ain't Enough" is certified Gold. It's the only album he released that got a certification, meaning the album he released in 1991 outsold both his 80s efforts.

    More interesting, here's Van Halen's Canadian certifications:
    "Van Halen" - 4x Platinum
    "Van Halen II" - 2x Platinum
    "Women and Children First" - 2x Platinum
    "Fair Warning" - Platinum
    "Diver Down" - Platinum
    "1984" - 5x Platinum
    "5150" - 3x Platinum
    "OU812" - ACHIEVED NO SALES CERTIFICATIONS
    "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" - Platinum
    "Live: Right Here, Right Now" - Gold
    "Balance" - 3x Platinum
    "Best of Volume I" - 3x Platinum
    "Van Halen III" - ACHIEVED NO SALES CERTIFICATIONS
    "The Best of Both Worlds" - ACHIEVED NO SALES CERTIFICATIONS

    Worth noting that Right Here Right Now is a double album, so sold half as many copies as "A Little Ain't Enough" to go Gold. The same is true for "The Best of Both Worlds" which did not even go Gold.

    That did come as a surprise, that an album Roth released in 1991 outsold OU812, Right Here Right Now and The Best of Both Worlds.

    UK Singles charts:
    * In 1988 Van Halen had a single peak at 28
    * In 1988 David Lee Roth had singles peak at 27 and 72
    * In 1989 Van Halen had a single peak at 63
    * In 1991 Van Halen had singles peak at 63 and 74
    * In 1991 David Lee Roth had a single peak at 32

    So Roth's single of 1991 did far, far better than Van Halen's. And of their 1988 releases, Roth had one chart one place higher. When I didn't list it, Van Halen were doing better than Roth, but never mind.

    UK album charts:
    * In 1978 "Van Halen" charted at 34
    * In 1979 "Van Halen II" charted at 23
    * In 1980 "Women and Children First" charted at 15
    * In 1981 "Fair Warning" failed to chart
    * In 1982 "Diver Down" charted at 36
    * In 1984 "1984" charted at 15
    * In 1986 "5150" charted at 16 (in comparison "Crazy from the Heat" did not chart and "Eat 'Em And Smile" got to 28)
    * In 1988 "OU812" charted at 16 (In 1988 "Skyscraper" got to 11)
    * In 1991 "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" charted at 12 (In 1991 "A Little Ain't Enough" got to 4)
    * In 1993 "Live: Right Here, Right Now" charted at 24
    * In 1995 "Balance" charted at 8 (In 1994 "Your Filthy Little Mouth" got to 28)
    * In 1997 "Best Of Volume 1" failed to chart
    * In 1998 "Van Halen III" failed to chart
    * In 2004 "The Best of Both Worlds" charted at 15

    "DLR Band" actually received no promotion whatsoever in Europe, being released by Roth's label and only coming out there a coupla years after the US release. So effectively no one heard about it, and no songs got played on his 1999 World Tour (which was the nearest tour to its release).

    Which reminds me, another thing worth noting: David Lee Roth's concerts promoted Van Halen and David Lee Roth music.
    On the 1986-1987 tour it was about Roth's career from 78 to 86
    On the 1988 tour it was about Roth's career from 78 to 88.
    On the 1991 tour it was about Roth's career from 78 to 91
    On the 1994 tour it was about Roth's career from 78 to 94
    On the 1999 tour it was about Roth's career from 78 to 86 (other than one song from 1998 on the first 8 dates)
    On the 2001 tour it was about Roth's career from 78 to 86

    I don't know the details on the 2002 and 2006 dates, but you get the deal. Roth spent his time promoting all his career, focussing more on Van Halen than David Lee Roth from the 1999 tour onwards. His tours probably shifted more Van Halen albums than David Lee Roth ones, so it's quite possible tour attendance for his shows was higher than for Van Halen ones at times but that this was not reflected in album sales. The 5150 tour involved the band playing almost all of 5150 and I think 4 original songs :|
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