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    Default So...is ash a total pain to seal?

    Thinking about my first attempt at a really accurate Frankie. Wanting to go with an ash body, but I'm hearing that it's a really tough wood to seal.

    What's it like in comparison to body woods like alder or basswood? I've been told that an entire can of sealer should be used on alder or basswood to seal them. How many cans would ash take?
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    From what I understand, Eddie did NOT seal his Frankenstein- he just painted it.

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    Eddie didn't finish most of his guitars. Finish = clear coat over the final paint job.

    I'm talking about sealing the wood so that the wood doesn't absorb the paint and make the grain visible through the painted color.

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    Here's what the stewmac catalogue says: Ash is in the porous wood column, therefore it needs to be grainfilled. So to answer your question, it is a pain to seal.

    Many people on the reranch forum like epoxy to grainfill, but I am certain that is not authentic. Bartly's is probably preferred. From the wear patterns, it would be a very light grainfiller, like a clear.

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    If you want an accurate Frankie... forget about grain filling and sealing.

    Go to all that trouble and it'll end up looking like one of those $2500 fArt Series pieces of crap...

    I've refinished some older ash bodies. Using the methods covered at the ReRanch site I got great results with grain filling and then 2 coats of sand n seal. Frankly the grainfilling step can be thrown out unless you are going for a totally mirror like flat surfaced finish and/or are trying to get a very thin 100% laquer application.

    I'd recommend two medium-heavy coats of sand n seal. Sand well. Then 2-3 light coats of a good quality primer. Since you will relicing... what little grain that shows thru will actually look more realistic.
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    Yeah, I don't want to cover up the grain, just don't want the wood to absorb the paint, showing grain in the colors.

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    I guess the real question is...

    How did Eddie do it when he first painted Frankie? Did he fill the grain? I dont knoiw but for some reason the Fender version of Frankie looks artificial to me as its a really thick paint job with no grain showing at all (plus the debate if they really use ash at all instead of alder).

    I dont know the answer but pictures of the real frankie seem to not tell the answer....

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    Well generally they will kick and scream but duct tape takes care....

    Oh I thought you said "ass" and "steal". Sorry

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    Well generally they will kick and scream but duct tape takes care....

    Oh I thought you said "ass" and "steal". Sorry

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    Sanding sealer and grain filler are two separate steps.
    If your looking to do an authentic Frankenstrat, sand down the body with some 320 grit, and just use one, nice, thick coat of sanding sealer. Be carefull not to brush on any runs.
    When you paint, put on several coats of black, then sand down with a block. This will leave in just enough paint in the grain to leave the grain just visable on the black stripe. Just like the real deal.
    You can still see some grain in the white and the red. But not much.

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    Very cool Ron...

    Is this how Eddie did his Frankie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftyVanHalen View Post
    Very cool Ron...

    Is this how Eddie did his Frankie?
    From what I've read. In a couple places, which leads me to belive its what he did.




    It does give it the look he had too. It also makes sence. Northern ash is a real grained up wood. That's why when I use ash for a factory finish, its kinda alot of work. The amount of filler I have to use is crazy. But the results are nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron4406 View Post
    From what I've read. In a couple places, which leads me to belive its what he did.




    It does give it the look he had too. It also makes sence. Northern ash is a real grained up wood. That's why when I use ash for a factory finish, its kinda alot of work. The amount of filler I have to use is crazy. But the results are nice.

    That's great work! I had someone here paint my Frankie and they didnt use filler at all. The guitar looks great but...the grain can be seen easily and I wish that wasnt the case...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftyVanHalen View Post
    That's great work! I had someone here paint my Frankie and they didnt use filler at all. The guitar looks great but...the grain can be seen easily and I wish that wasnt the case...
    Well. Now you know who to go to next time.
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