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    Default B string problem

    For some reason, the B string on my guitar won't work with chords. If I strum a chord, the B string will throw it off and give that dissonant out-of-tune sound. If I mute the B string, the chord sounds fine. Even if I play a note on the G string and a note on the B string together (which usually sounds good) it sounds nasty. Happens all over the fretboard. What could be the problem? It's all tuned and intonated perfectly.

    Could it have something to do with radius / action? It's a Warmoth neck, compound radius of 10" - 16". OFR, 10" radius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike-o View Post
    For some reason, the B string on my guitar won't work with chords. If I strum a chord, the B string will throw it off and give that dissonant out-of-tune sound. If I mute the B string, the chord sounds fine. Even if I play a note on the G string and a note on the B string together (which usually sounds good) it sounds nasty. Happens all over the fretboard. What could be the problem? It's all tuned and intonated perfectly.

    Could it have something to do with radius / action? It's a Warmoth neck, compound radius of 10" - 16". OFR, 10" radius.
    First of all, please post some pictures of your bridge and neck nut. Maybe someone could spot something.

    Assuming you have a Floyd Rose, check if the b string saddle is tightened down. I would also check your nut and see if either it is loose from the neck, or see if one of the clamps is loose. Hard to know without seeing it...

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    Also...

    Did it happen suddenly? (As in was it fine one day and not the next?) Or is this a new guitar?

    Is the B string sharp or flat?

    The problem is either at the nut or the bridge (likely the saddle). Troubleshoot those things, and you should be able to figure it out.

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    You guys got it.
    Also check (might sound stupid) the pole on your pup. If its too high, it will "grab" the string and flunk it out.
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    As weird as it may sound, I think your guitar is just fine.
    I also had this problem and decided to do a little research.
    The "problem" may be that you have a very good ear.
    Please read on ...


    "Proper" guitar tuning:
    The following is a reprint of THE GUILD OF AMERICAN LUTHIERS data sheet #45.

    Many guitarists are frustrated because of their attempts to tune the guitar to pure chords (free of beats). These particular players have very sensitive ears that prefer pure intervals and reject the mandatory equal temperament. They tune their guitar beautifully pure on one chord only to discover that the next chord form is unacceptable. In too many instances they assume that there must be a flaw in the workmanship on the fingerboard. Their problem is not in the construction of the guitar. It is one of pure tuning verses equal temperament.

    You must accept this compromise because the guitar is an instrument of fixed pitch and the strings must be tuned to tempered intervals, not pure. Equal temperament is the name given to a system of dividing the chromatic scale into 12 equal half steps. Guitarists who have been trying to tune to one or another pure chord form must learn to understand and accept equal temperament. (They might be interested to know that to approximate pure chords on all forms would require about three dozen frets within the octave.) The system of equal temperament reduces the number to twelve, thereby making manageable all instruments of fixed pitch.

    Here is what all of this means to the guitarist: You must not, at any time, use harmonic tones at the 7th fret as a point of reference (skilled piano tuners could use them because they know how many beats to introduce between 4th and 5th). Harmonic tones at the 7th fret are pure 5ths, while in equal temperament each 5th must be lowered slightly. To tune by harmonics at the 7th fret (as occasionally ill-advised) will make the guitar sound entirely unacceptable on some chord forms.

    On the other hand, all harmonics at the 12th and 5th frets, being one and two octaves above the open strings, are immediately useful as explained below. All octaves and unisons are pure on all instruments of fixed pitch. Therefore, you may use harmonics at 12th and 5th as reference tones in the following tuning instructions.

    Actually this discussion and the following suggestions are for those players who have been tuning to pure intervals. When the steps have been followed correctly the guitar will be as perfectly tuned as it could be in the hands of a professional. Nevertheless, when you have finished, your sensitive ear may notice that on each major chord form there is always one tone slightly high. If you start adjusting a particular string on a certain chord form, you only compound the problem because then the next chord form will be completely objectionable. Tune the guitar as instructed below and let it stand. How to help your ear accept equal temperament: It is easier to face a problem if we are prepared in advance and expect it. If you are one of those persons who is sensitive to pure intervals, here is what you are going to notice on an absolutely perfectly tuned guitar in equal temperament: Play an open E major chord. Listen to G# on the third string and you most likely will want to lower it very slightly. Don't do it. Ignore it. Enjoy the overall beauty and resonance of chord just as does the pianist.

    That troublesome second string: Play an open position A major chord. Listen to the C# on the second string and you may want to lower it slightly. Play a first position C chord and listen to the E on the first string and fourth string at 2. These tones are slightly higher than your ear would like.

    Now play an open position G chord. Listen to B on the second string. Yes, it would sound a little better if lowered ever so slightly. Why not try it? Slack off the second string a couple of vibrations and notice what beautiful G chord results. Now play the C chord and with that lowered second string, and you are going to dislike the rough C and E a lot more than before. Take the open B, second string back up to equal temperament so that it will be equally acceptable on all forms. Learn to expect and accept the slight sharpness of the major third in each chord (and oppositely, the flatness of the minor third in each minor chord). Train your ear to accept tempered intervals and you will be much happier with your guitar.


    PROCEDURE:

    Tuning the 1st and 6th strings: The E, open 1st string, must be in pure unison with the harmonic of the E, 6th string at the fifth fret. When these two strings have been properly tuned with each other, continue as follows. Tuning the 4th string: Play a harmonic on the (in tune) 6th string at twelve, and as this harmonic sounds, adjust the 4th string until the tone E on the second fret is in pure unison. Now you have the E, open 1st string, 1st on the 4th string at two, and E, open 6th string tuned pure (permissible because they are octaves).

    Tuning the 2nd string: Play a harmonic on the (in tune) 4th string at twelve. As this sounds, adjust the 2nd string until D at the third fret is in pure unison. As you have used two fretted tones for references and as the frets are positioned for tempered intervals, you now have the open 1st, 2nd 4th and 6th strings in tempered tuning.

    Tuning the 3rd string: As it is easier to adjust a string while listening to a continuous reference tone, you may first try the following: Play a harmonic on the (in tune) 4th string at twelve and as this sounds, adjust the 3rd string until D at the 7th fret is in pure unison.

    Double check: Now make this check to see if you have been accurate or if the instrument plays tune when fretted at seven. Play a harmonic on the (now tuned) G string at twelve, and as this tone sounds, play G on the 1st string at three. The two tones should be in pure unison. If they are not, either you are at fault or the instrument doesn't fret tune at seven. Go back to the beginning and carefully check each step up to this point. If the tones are still faulty, then readjust the 3rd string until the harmonic at twelve is in unison with the 1st at three. Do not tamper with the 1st and 4th strings because it is the 3rd string you are trying to bring in tune. When you have the 1st, 6th, 4th, 2nd and 3rd strings in tune, in that order, continue with the remaining 5th string.

    Tuning the 5th string: Play the tone A on the (in tune) 3rd string, at the second fret. Listen to this pitch carefully and now adjust the 5th string until the harmonic at twelve is in pure unison. When the foregoing steps are followed correctly, the strings will be tuned perfectly to equal temperament. No further tuning adjustments are permissible.
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    this is why i spent the money and got the peterson strobe rack tuner. if you do alot of reading the guitar just isnt tempered to be in tune everywhere. they have what are called sweetened tunings that adjust the tuning ever so slightly to make the guitar in tune throughout and in certain chords. its really neat. you still intonate regular and use the sweetened tunings to adjust. read there online manual for the rack strobe its pretty neat. i always hated the chords in unchained, running with the devil and the intro to somebody get me a doctor on the g,b, and e strings. the b always sounded out. not anymore. its great.

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    Yes, unfortunantly you must train yourself not to care if the guitar is in perfect tune on every chord. Eventually you get to a point where you can tune a guitar and it will be acceptable to your ear. As J_Alexander said, the tunings of the D suspended and stuff like that in those songs could be troublesome and it takes some time. I actually tuned to Eddie for a while on Runnin with the devil, and now since my ear likes that tuning, I usually tune like that everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Alexander View Post
    this is why i spent the money and got the peterson strobe rack tuner. if you do alot of reading the guitar just isnt tempered to be in tune everywhere. they have what are called sweetened tunings that adjust the tuning ever so slightly to make the guitar in tune throughout and in certain chords. its really neat. you still intonate regular and use the sweetened tunings to adjust. read there online manual for the rack strobe its pretty neat. i always hated the chords in unchained, running with the devil and the intro to somebody get me a doctor on the g,b, and e strings. the b always sounded out. not anymore. its great.
    Woah that is sweet! I gotta get that tuner.

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    i always found my problems were with the G string, whenever i played an open Dmaj it sounded a little sharp, so i just re-tuned to my own ear, although if im honest it doesnt always matter. being a rock player its mainly playing 5ths and not full chords although i still tune this way....funny thing is no one can play my gear without re-tuning it!
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