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    Default Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran

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    Posted on August 7th, 2008

    Operation Brimstone ended only one week ago. This was the joint US/UK/French naval war games in the Atlantic Ocean preparing for a naval blockade of Iran and the likely resulting war in the Persian Gulf area. The massive war games included a US Navy supercarrier battle group, an US Navy expeditionary carrier battle group, a Royal Navy carrier battle group, a French nuclear hunter-killer submarine plus a large number of US Navy cruisers, destroyers and frigates playing the "enemy force".

    The lead American ship in these war games, the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN71) and its Carrier Strike Group Two (CCSG-2) are now headed towards Iran along with the USS Ronald Reagon (CVN76) and its Carrier Strike Group Seven (CCSG-7) coming from Japan.

    They are joining two existing USN battle groups in the Gulf area: the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) with its Carrier Strike Group Nine (CCSG-9); and the USS Peleliu (LHA-5) with its expeditionary strike group.

    Likely also under way towards the Persian Gulf is the USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7) and its expeditionary strike group, the UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal (R07) carrier battle group, assorted French naval assets including the nuclear hunter-killer submarine Amethyste and French Naval Rafale fighter jets on-board the USS Theodore Roosevelt. These ships took part in the just completed Operation Brimstone.

    The build up of naval forces in the Gulf will be one of the largest multi-national naval armadas since the First and Second Gulf Wars. The intent is to create a US/EU naval blockade (which is an Act of War under international law) around Iran (with supporting air and land elements) to prevent the shipment of benzene and certain other refined oil products headed to Iranian ports. Iran has limited domestic oil refining capacity and imports 40% of its benzene. Cutting off benzene and other key products would cripple the Iranian economy. The neo-cons are counting on such a blockade launching a war with Iran.

    The US Naval forces being assembled include the following:

    Carrier Strike Group Nine
    USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) nuclear powered supercarrier
    with its Carrier Air Wing Two
    Destroyer Squadron Nine:
    USS Mobile Bay (CG53) guided missile cruiser
    USS Russell (DDG59) guided missile destroyer
    USS Momsen (DDG92) guided missile destroyer
    USS Shoup (DDG86) guided missile destroyer
    USS Ford (FFG54) guided missile frigate
    USS Ingraham (FFG61) guided missile frigate
    USS Rodney M. Davis (FFG60) guided missile frigate
    USS Curts (FFG38) guided missile frigate
    Plus one or more nuclear hunter-killer submarines

    Peleliu Expeditionary Strike Group
    USS Peleliu (LHA-5) a Tarawa-class amphibious assault carrier
    USS Pearl Harbor (LSD52) assult ship
    USS Dubuque (LPD8) assult ship/landing dock
    USS Cape St. George (CG71) guided missile cruiser
    USS Halsey (DDG97) guided missile destroyer
    USS Benfold (DDG65) guided missile destroyer

    Carrier Strike Group Two
    USS Theodore Roosevelt (DVN71) nuclear powered supercarrier
    with its Carrier Air Wing Eight
    Destroyer Squadron 22
    USS Monterey (CG61) guided missile cruiser
    USS Mason (DDG87) guided missile destroyer
    USS Nitze (DDG94) guided missile destroyer
    USS Sullivans (DDG68) guided missile destroyer

    USS Springfield (SSN761) nuclear powered hunter-killer submarine

    IWO ESG ~ Iwo Jima Expeditionary Strike Group
    USS Iwo Jima (LHD7) amphibious assault carrier
    with its Amphibious Squadron Four
    and with its 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit
    USS San Antonio (LPD17) assault ship
    USS Velia Gulf (CG72) guided missile cruiser
    USS Ramage (DDG61) guided missile destroyer
    USS Carter Hall (LSD50) assault ship
    USS Roosevelt (DDG80) guided missile destroyer

    USS Hartfore (SSN768) nuclear powered hunter-killer submarine

    Carrier Strike Group Seven
    USS Ronald Reagan (CVN76) nuclear powered supercarrier
    with its Carrier Air Wing 14
    Destroyer Squadron 7
    USS Chancellorsville (CG62) guided missile cruiser
    USS Howard (DDG83) guided missile destroyer
    USS Gridley (DDG101) guided missile destroyer
    USS Decatur (DDG73) guided missile destroyer
    USS Thach (FFG43) guided missile frigate
    USNS Rainier (T-AOE-7) fast combat support ship

    Also likely to join the battle armada:

    UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal Carrier Strike Group with assorted guided missile destroyers and frigates, nuclear hunter-killer submarines and support ships

    French Navy nuclear powered hunter-killer submarines (likely the Amethyste and perhaps others), plus French Naval Rafale fighter jets operating off of the USS Theodore Roosevelt as the French Carrier Charles de Gaulle is in dry dock, and assorted surface warships

    Various other US Navy warships and submarines and support ships. The following USN ships took part (as the "enemy" forces) in Operation Brimstone and several may join in:

    USS San Jacinto (CG56) guided missile cruiser
    USS Anzio (CG68) guided missile cruiser
    USS Normandy (CG60) guided missile cruiser
    USS Carney (DDG64) guided missile destroyer
    USS Oscar Austin (DDG79) guided missile destroyer
    USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG81) guided missile destroyer
    USS Carr (FFG52) guided missile frigate

    The USS Iwo Jima and USS Peleliu Expeditionary Strike Groups have USMC Harrier jump jets and an assortment of assault and attack helicopters. The Expeditionary Strike Groups have powerful USMC Expeditionary Units with amphibious armor and ground forces trained for operating in shallow waters and in seizures of land assets, such as Qeshm Island (a 50 mile long island off of Bandar Abbas in the Gulf of Hormuz and headquarters of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps).

    The large and very advanced nature of the US Naval warships is not only directed at Iran. There is a great fear that Russia and China may oppose the naval and air/land blockade of Iran. If Russian and perhaps Chinese naval warships escort commercial tankers to Iran in violation of the blockade it could be the most dangerous at-sea confrontation since the Cuban Missile Crisis. The US and allied Navies, by front loading a Naval blockade force with very powerful guided missile warships and strike carriers is attempting to have a force so powerful that Russia and China will not be tempted to mess with. This is a most serious game of military brinkmanship with major nuclear armed powers that have profound objections to the neo-con grand strategy and to western control of all of the Middle East's oil supply.

    The Russian Navy this spring sent a major battle fleet into the Mediterranean headed by the modern aircraft carrier the Admiral Kuznetsov and the flagship of its Black Sea Fleet, the Guided Missile Heavy Cruiser Moskva. This powerful fleet has at least 11 surface ships and unknown numbers of subs and can use the Russian naval facility at Syria's Tartous port for resupply. The Admiral Kuznetsov carries approximately 47 warplanes and 10 helicopters. The warplanes are mostly the powerful Su-33, a naval version (with mid-air refueling capability) of the Su-27 family. While the Su-33 is a very powerful warplane it lacks the power of the stealth USAF F-22. However, the Russians insist that they have developed a plasma based system that allows them to stealth any aircraft and a recent incident where Russian fighters were able to appear unannounced over a US Navy carrier battle group tends to confirm their claims. The Su-33 can be armed with the 3M82 Moskit sea-skimming missile (NATO code name SS-N-22 Sunburn) and the even more powerful P-800 Oniks (also named Yakhonts; NATO code name SS-N-26 Onyx). Both missiles are designed to kill US Navy supercarriers by getting past the cruiser/destroyer screen and the USN point-defense Phalanx system by using high supersonic speeds and violent end maneuvers. Russian subs currently use the underwater rocket VA-111 Shkval (Squall), which is fired from standard 533mm torpedo tubes and reaches a speed of 360kph (230mph) underwater. There is no effective countermeasures to this system and no western counterpart.

    A strategic diversion has been created for Russia. The Republic of Georgia, with US backing, is actively preparing for war on South Ossetia. The South Ossetia capital has been shelled and a large Georgian tank force has been heading towards the border.

    ---continued
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    Russia has stated that it will not sit by and allow the Georgians to attack South Ossetia. The Russians are great chess players and this game may not turn out so well for the neo-cons.

    UPDATE 8 August 2008 ~

    War has broken out between Georgia and South Ossetia. At least 10 Russian troops have been killed and 30 wounded and 2 Russian fighter jets downed. American Marines, a thousand of them, have recently been in Georgia training the Georgian military forces. Several European nations stopped Bush and others from allowing Georgia into NATO. Russia is moving a large military force with armor towards the area. This could get bad, and remember it is just a strategic diversion....but one that could have horrific effects. Link to story "Russia sends forces into Georgia rebel conflict".

    FURTHER UPDATE ~ Russian military forces in active combat; now total of four Russian fighter jets reported downed.

    ADDITIONAL UPDATE ~ Georgia calls for US help; Russian Air Force bombs Georgian air bases. DEBKA, the Israeli strategy and military site, states that Israeli military officers are advising the Georgian armed forces in combat operations and that 1,000 Israelis are in-combat on the side of Georgia at this time.

    Kuwait has activated its "Emergency War Plan" as it and other Gulf nations prepare for the likelihood of a major regional war in the Middle East involving weapons of mass destruction.

    The two-ton elephant in the living room of the neo-con strategy is the advanced biowar (ABW) that Iran, and to a lessor extent Syria, has. This places the motherlands of the major neo-con nations (America, France, the United Kingdom), as well as Israel, in grave danger. When the Soviet Union fell the Iranians hired as many out-of-work former Soviet advanced biowar experts as possible. In the last 15 or so years they have helped to develop a truly world class ABW program utilizing recombination DNA genetic engineering technology to create a large number of man made killer viruses. This form of weapon system does not require high tech military delivery systems. The viruses are sub-microscopic and once seeded in a population use the population itself as vectors. Seeding can be done without notice in shopping malls, churches, and other public places. The only real defense to an advanced global strategic biowar attack is to lock down the population as rapidly as possible and let those infected die off.

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    Fucking scary, but who knows if it's true...guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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    Thanks for the update - strange times, indeed.
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    So...a joint, international military naval exercise = war with Iran?

    I'm going to go with: No.

    The exercise was held off the coast of Virginia and had been scheduled for over a year.

    Here's everything I could find:

    http://www.news.navy.mil/search/disp...story_id=38577

    http://www.navy.mil/local/cvn71/

    http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=38478

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...0729-nns06.htm

    http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-lo...,1632649.story

    http://wwwwsonneteighteencom.blogspo...brimstone.html

    If anything it sounds just like straight ahead wargaming with an eye to contingency if Israel pulls something on Iran. The TR is going to the gulf to relieve the carrier that is on station there. That carrier was also alleged to be some kind of threat to Iran when it deployed late last year as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
    So...a joint, international military naval exercise = war with Iran?

    I'm going to go with: No.
    Seems obvious, doesn't it?

    War with Iran means a land war. That means a massive troop build up. Heavy weapons that aren't in Iraq. A shifting of USAF assets into the theater. Months and months of obvious and blatant preparations. Any naval buildup would be among the last steps involved, not the first. Ships can't stay on station that long and continue to be effective.

    What a lot of people don't seem to realize is that even an air strike or missile strike against Iran means a land war. We can't avoid that. If the Israelis acted independently, it still means a land war for us. Israel knows that. Israel isn't eager to displease Uncle Sugar to that degree.

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    i can't imagine that the US government is in any position financially to start another war. Even W isn't that foolish. And what exactly is the justification for this one? I can only imagine that there isn't anything to this story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by it's me View Post
    i can't imagine that the US government is in any position financially to start another war. Even W isn't that foolish. And what exactly is the justification for this one? I can only imagine that there isn't anything to this story.
    It's a game played by speculators to drive up the price of oil. One of the primary reasons that the price of oil is so high is the "Threat of War" with Iran and this kind of story helps keep it high. The truth is that the Pentagon has contingency plans for action just about everywhere on the globe; it's not that we plan to attack everywhere it's just that we never know where we will be called upon to fight next and it's a good idea to have a plan just in case. The people who spread this hype know this too, they're just yanking the right chains to line their pockets.

    You know what's really funny, I picture a guy in 1962 watching JFK address the nation about Soviet Missles in Cuba and then I picture some time-traveler pops into his living room and tells him that in 2008 the biggest threat to the US is Iran. Can you imagine his reaction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
    It's a game played by speculators to drive up the price of oil. One of the primary reasons that the price of oil is so high is the "Threat of War" with Iran and this kind of story helps keep it high. The truth is that the Pentagon has contingency plans for action just about everywhere on the globe; it's not that we plan to attack everywhere it's just that we never know where we will be called upon to fight next and it's a good idea to have a plan just in case. The people who spread this hype know this too, they're just yanking the right chains to line their pockets.

    You know what's really funny, I picture a guy in 1962 watching JFK address the nation about Soviet Missles in Cuba and then I picture some time-traveler pops into his living room and tells him that in 2008 the biggest threat to the US is Iran. Can you imagine his reaction?

    I don't imagine the "Iran war threat" has much to do with today's oil prices. Of all the imaginary things that get incorporated into oil futures, I think a war with Iran is way down on that list. There are so many more likely threats to the oil supply that have inflated the hell out of oil prices.

    The second I read the headline, the first thing I thought was that the Democrats would be very wise to make a big a story of this. I can't imagine most Americans have the stomach for another war at this point.

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    The Democrats would be fools to pull something like that.

    First off, Iran is not popular with the average American as witnessed by the liberal arguement that Iran was a bigger threat to the US than Iraq and that we should have dealt with them first.

    Iran is what put Reagan into office.

    Iran is what put Jimmy Carter in the unemployment line.

    If the Democrats were to pull the chicken-switch on Iran then the Republicans could just show highlights from the Hostage Crisis for their campain commercials.

    I'll say it again, we (the US) are not going to attack Iran in a big strike. We've had better reasons over the last thirty years and we haven't. We have sent SOF teams into Iran to stem their IEDs from crossing the border but that's it. Iran is nearing it's tipping point where the youth could overthrow the Iyatollahs and install a less insane government but that won't happen if we strike them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
    The Democrats would be fools to pull something like that.

    First off, Iran is not popular with the average American as witnessed by the liberal arguement that Iran was a bigger threat to the US than Iraq and that we should have dealt with them first.

    Iran is what put Reagan into office.

    Iran is what put Jimmy Carter in the unemployment line.

    If the Democrats were to pull the chicken-switch on Iran then the Republicans could just show highlights from the Hostage Crisis for their campain commercials.

    I'll say it again, we (the US) are not going to attack Iran in a big strike. We've had better reasons over the last thirty years and we haven't. We have sent SOF teams into Iran to stem their IEDs from crossing the border but that's it. Iran is nearing it's tipping point where the youth could overthrow the Iyatollahs and install a less insane government but that won't happen if we strike them.

    That's why we haven't.
    Iran is who the Reagan Admin sold arms to during the 80s.

    But they also sold weapons to Iraq.

    Fair and balanced assholes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lmr5150 View Post
    Iran is who the Reagan Admin sold arms to during the 80s.

    But they also sold weapons to Iraq.

    Fair and balanced assholes.

    So what do we do now? It's just fucking crazy these days. My grandmother told me once, "just because you strung that fence, it doesn't mean that people won't jump over it." Out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by track 5 View Post
    So what do we do now? It's just fucking crazy these days. My grandmother told me once, "just because you strung that fence, it doesn't mean that people won't jump over it." Out.
    1. Your grandma was wise.

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