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    Calls for tapping reserves on offshore lands and in Alaska



    July 11: President Bush says the Democratic Congress must explain why they won’t allow oil drilling in offshore waters and in the Alaskan wildlife refuge, citing the need because of “tough economic times” for the American people.

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    WASHINGTON - President Bush prodded Congress on Friday to allow oil drilling in offshore waters and in the Alaskan wildlife refuge, citing "tough economic times" for the American people.

    Bush met with his senior economic advisers at the Energy Department to discuss soaring prices for gasoline and crude oil. Bush said one answer is to increase supply in this country by tapping "the vast potential" of crude oil reserves on offshore lands and in Alaska as well as in oil shale in the western part of the United States.

    With gasoline prices above $4 a gallon, Bush and his Republican allies think American's reluctance to drill in pristine waters and lands is diminishing and that there is an opportunity for oil companies to move into areas that have been off limits.

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    Good, only this is YEARS too late. First, while a new energy source NEEDS to be developed, there is NO viable alternative RIGHT NOW, and not for the foreseeable future. Right now, oil is the only option we have, and when we are sitting on tons of it, we need to do this. How hypocritical is it of us to beg the Saudis to produce more when WE won't even produce more. It's like, we need more oil, and we pollute the most, yet WE won't drill for more oil that we KNOW we have? It's ridiculous. Not only that, but more refineries have to be built as well.

    I think the easiest transition is to make MOST cars hybrids while we find a new way to power our cars, and I think, though I have no real reason to say this, but I think that Hydrogen cars will likely be the eventual answer. And even though Honda has made one, last I checked there is ONE hydrogen pump in Los Angeles. The infrastructure has to change just like it did when we switched from leaded gas.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    Good, only this is YEARS too late. First, while a new energy source NEEDS to be developed, there is NO viable alternative RIGHT NOW, and not for the foreseeable future. Right now, oil is the only option we have, and when we are sitting on tons of it, we need to do this. How hypocritical is it of us to beg the Saudis to produce more when WE won't even produce more. It's like, we need more oil, and we pollute the most, yet WE won't drill for more oil that we KNOW we have? It's ridiculous. Not only that, but more refineries have to be built as well.
    Well there's is a strategic point to it. Pretty much every military unit depends on oil, and imagine is Middle East allies with some China.. you get the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    I think the easiest transition is to make MOST cars hybrids while we find a new way to power our cars, and I think, though I have no real reason to say this, but I think that Hydrogen cars will likely be the eventual answer. And even though Honda has made one, last I checked there is ONE hydrogen pump in Los Angeles. The infrastructure has to change just like it did when we switched from leaded gas.....
    I think the biggest problem with alternative fuels is finding a way to deliver it vs. building the cars that use it. If they can find something that can use existing gas pumps, then there helps the problem, but if the alternative fuel needs an alternative means of delivery, then that'll slow things down. Chevrolet is not going to develop a bunch of cars that run on, say, mosquito larvae if there's no place for people to get the mosquito larvae, and Citgo isn't going to build a bunch of mosquito larvae stations if there aren't enough cars that run on mosquito larvae to keep them in business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterlessIceness View Post
    No thread on this one yet?
    Actually, there is.. I posted a link to the CNN version of this story in the oil/gas prices thread.

    I disagree that the solution to our problem is to engage in more drilling. We need to be focusing our efforts on developing alternative energy sources.

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    Did Bush's move cause the price of oil to drop ten bucks in two days? Was lifting the executive moratorium enough to make the speculators feel better about the future? Are the two related at all?

    If so, then let's give credit to the guy for doing something right.

    If not, then so much for pinning the tail on Wall Street.

    I can't wait until President Obama gives me one of them green jobs.

    Drill, America, drill! We'll be thankful ten years from now!

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    The whole energy problem needs to be attacked from many different angles.

    We need better fuel efficiency from our new cars. This is already in play because Ford, GM and Chrysler are seeing their SUV sales plummet as Honda and Toyotas small cars sales surge. Hybrids are one solution but not the best over-all.

    We need to add more nuclear power plants onto the national grid so that we can then redirect national gas into our federal and state vehicle fleets, which removes them from the playing field. Natural gas is the one thing that the U.S. has in surplus and we need to be smarter in how we use it.

    Wind Power needs to make up at least 25% of each state's electrical generation.

    We do need to drill more in this country. I live on what is called the Salinian Complex, which is an oil-rich deposit. There are abandoned well-sites in Monterey County that can be re-opened and produce oil.

    We need to convert Coal into Oil. Coal Powered plants spew high amounts of CO2 and radioactive materials into the atmosphere. They will not be missed if they are replaced by nuke plants.

    I don't see high gas prices as the big negative that everyone else does. I think that they are the kick in the ass that this country has needed for about 20 years. I've watched our government roll (re: BEND) over and allow US automakers to slip by with low fuel effieciency from their products and even granting exemptions for SUVs. I've watched my friends trade in their fuel-friendly Hondas and Volkswagons that they swore by in the 1980s for SUVs and super-giant pickup trucks. I could understand an 18 year old but like me, my friends are old enough to remember the gas-lines and rationing of the 1970s. I've watched people who grew up in sensible homes buy McMansions that take twice as much energy to heat and cool. So I've watched a nation get stupid about energy and write economic checks that they cannot cash.
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    Everyone here does realize that the oil companies own or lease over 68 million acres of land that they're not drilling on now, right?
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    The United States is the Saudi Arabia of wind power.

    Studies from around the world show that the Great Plains states are home to the greatest wind energy potential in the world — by far.
    The Department of Energy reports that 20% of America's electricity can come from wind. North Dakota alone has the potential to provide power for more than a quarter of the country.
    Today's wind turbines stand up to 410 feet tall, with blades that stretch 148 feet in length. The blades collect the wind's kinetic energy. In one year, a 3-megawatt wind turbine produces as much energy as 12,000 barrels of imported oil.
    Wind power currently accounts for 48 billion kWh of electricity a year in the United States — enough to serve more than 4.5 million households. That is still only about 1% of current demand, but the potential of wind is much greater.
    A 2005 Stanford University study found that there is enough wind power worldwide to satisfy global demand 7 times over — even if only 20% of wind power could be captured.
    Building wind facilities in the corridor that stretches from the Texas panhandle to North Dakota could produce 20% of the electricity for the United States at a cost of $1 trillion. It would take another $200 billion to build the capacity to transmit that energy to cities and towns.
    That's a lot of money, but it's a one-time cost. And compared to the $700 billion we spend on foreign oil every year, it's a bargain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Everyone here does realize that the oil companies own or lease over 68 million acres of land that they're not drilling on now, right?
    From what little I understand about oil wells there is a lot of water in there too. I was talking with some one the other day about they said you have to pump a large amount of water out of the ground to be able to get the oil out. They are pumping out 5 barrels of water to for every 1 barrel of crude oil now in the Middle East.

    There is a lot of oil here in Kentucky, but there is so much water they can’t get to it, because they have no where to put all the water. I think that they should pump the water out of the ground into a separator, and then pump the water into these bladders that are in the ground; they will expand and help push the oil out where it will be retrievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
    The whole energy problem needs to be attacked from many different angles.

    We need better fuel efficiency from our new cars. This is already in play because Ford, GM and Chrysler are seeing their SUV sales plummet as Honda and Toyotas small cars sales surge. Hybrids are one solution but not the best over-all.

    We need to add more nuclear power plants onto the national grid so that we can then redirect national gas into our federal and state vehicle fleets, which removes them from the playing field. Natural gas is the one thing that the U.S. has in surplus and we need to be smarter in how we use it.
    Wind Power needs to make up at least 25% of each state's electrical generation.


    We do need to drill more in this country. I live on what is called the Salinian Complex, which is an oil-rich deposit. There are abandoned well-sites in Monterey County that can be re-opened and produce oil.

    We need to convert Coal into Oil. Coal Powered plants spew high amounts of CO2 and radioactive materials into the atmosphere. They will not be missed if they are replaced by nuke plants.

    I don't see high gas prices as the big negative that everyone else does. I think that they are the kick in the ass that this country has needed for about 20 years. I've watched our government roll (re: BEND) over and allow US automakers to slip by with low fuel effieciency from their products and even granting exemptions for SUVs. I've watched my friends trade in their fuel-friendly Hondas and Volkswagons that they swore by in the 1980s for SUVs and super-giant pickup trucks. I could understand an 18 year old but like me, my friends are old enough to remember the gas-lines and rationing of the 1970s. I've watched people who grew up in sensible homes buy McMansions that take twice as much energy to heat and cool. So I've watched a nation get stupid about energy and write economic checks that they cannot cash.
    For the most part, Axx, I give this a thumbs up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Everyone here does realize that the oil companies own or lease over 68 million acres of land that they're not drilling on now, right?
    Just because they're leasing the land doesn't mean that there's any oil there. They're just hedging their bets. Much of the land they lease is DEEP UNDERWATER in the Gulf of Mexico and they're hoping the government opens up shallower waters for drilling because it's easier and cheaper to get to.

    For all the talk in about Anwar in AK, they haven't even test-drilled there and there might not even be any oil there.

    When the government leases land to the oil companies it hasn't got a clue if there's any oil there or not. They get paid either way.

    Then there's a manpower and equipment shortage. There's a shortage of drilling rigs. If the oil companies have to buy them then the prices go up and the silly people whine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiil_A_Fan View Post
    Today's wind turbines stand up to 410 feet tall, with blades that stretch 148 feet in length.
    There's some of those here in East San Diego Co. Those suckers are huge! I-8 passes practically right underneath one of them and when you're that close you get an appreciation for how big they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Shark View Post
    Actually, there is.. I posted a link to the CNN version of this story in the oil/gas prices thread.

    I disagree that the solution to our problem is to engage in more drilling. We need to be focusing our efforts on developing alternative energy sources.
    You're exactly right, it is not the solution. But at this moment, there is no solution, and we're probably at least 10 years away, and probably much longer, from one being fully implemented to replace the current system. And while I agree that we should focus on finding a new energy source beyond oil, that isn't mutually exclusive with believing in new drilling. We could turn some of this new oil around in less than 3 years. Sadly, most people take a black or white stance here. And if we accomplish better cars and more oil, we won't look hard at other sources. And if we look hard at alternative energy, we probably won't try to ease the pain now. But we CAN and we SHOULD. If cars continue to get more fuel efficient, and we can stop the bleeding with our own oil, then why shouldn't we do so AS we look for the answer to the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovemachine97(Version 2) View Post
    If cars continue to get more fuel efficient, and we can stop the bleeding with our own oil, then why shouldn't we do so AS we look for the answer to the problem?
    Because every minute and every dollar we spend in an effort to expand oil drilling is another minute and dollar that could have been spent on developing sustainable future energy sources.

    There is more than enough supply of oil right now to focus the vast majority of our efforts toward finding future energy solutions. Don't listen to what the market speculators are saying.

    My position isn't black or white, I recognize we need to continue drilling as we search for solutions. I just don't want to expand that drilling to new areas that will require greater expenditure of resources (i.e., creating offshore drilling rigs that do not currently exist) at the possible expense of the environment.

    I'm not saying my position is the only correct one, I just disagree with what the president is proposing.


 

 

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