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    OTTAWA (AFP) - A Canadian court has lifted a 12-year-old girl's grounding, overturning her father's punishment for disobeying his orders to stay off the Internet, his lawyer said Wednesday.

    The girl had taken her father to Quebec Superior Court after he refused to allow her to go on a school trip for chatting on websites he tried to block, and then posting "inappropriate" pictures of herself online using a friend's computer.

    The father's lawyer Kim Beaudoin said the disciplinary measures were for the girl's "own protection" and is appealing the ruling.

    "She's a child," Beaudoin told AFP. "At her age, children test their limits and it's up to their parents to set boundaries."

    "I started an appeal of the decision today to reestablish parental authority, and to ensure that this case doesn't set a precedent," she said. Otherwise, said Beaudoin, "parents are going to be walking on egg shells from now on."

    "I think most children respect their parents and would never go so far as to take them to court, but it's clear that some would and we have to ask ourselves how far this will go."

    According to court documents, the girl's Internet transgression was just the latest in a string of broken house rules. Even so, Justice Suzanne Tessier found her punishment too severe.

    Beaudoin noted the girl used a court-appointed lawyer in her parents' 10-year custody dispute to launch her landmark case against dear old dad.
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    Courts overturning grounding? Anybody care to try and explain this one?

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    How could a kid start her own case?? I don't get it. She's just a kid.
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    Sounds like the girl pitted one parent against the other:

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    Quebec girl wins court case over field trip

    Father had denied her right to go on class trip

    Jenny Wagler, National Post
    Published: Wednesday, June 18, 2008

    A 12-year-old Quebec girl who felt so strongly about her end-of-year school trip that she took her father to court after he forbade her from going is at the centre of a case that challenges the authority of parental discipline.

    The extreme measure of taking the case to court, which the girl's lawyer defended as a necessary move to ensure the child was not denied a significant rite of passage, was upheld by the judge in a surprise ruling last week.

    "This was something that would never happen again in the child's life," said Lucie Fortin, the lawyer for the girl, who cannot be named.

    "And for me that was really important, because it was the end of elementary school, it was the end of a stage in her life."

    Ms. Fortin insists that while court was a last resort, the situation called for it: "This was not a question of going to the movies or not, or going online or not -- because obviously, I wouldn't have intervened in that," she said.

    Critics of the decision last week by a Quebec Superior Court which ruled in favour of Ms. Fortin's young client suggest that such a ruling opens the way for equally implausible scenarios such as children taking their parents to court for such things as being denied access to television or using the Internet -- and winning.

    "As a lawyer and as a parent, I hink it's state interference where the court shouldn't be interfering," said Ottawa lawyer Fred Cogan. "I've got six kids. I certainly wouldn't want a judge watching over everything that I do, and I wouldn't want my kids being able to run to the judge."

    The lawyer acting for the father in this case, who also cannot be named, said she is going to appeal the decision.

    "The judge said that this was an exception, but the exception was to go on a field trip!" said lawyer Kim Beaudoin.

    "What will be too much punishment? Not going to a dance? I want my boyfriend to sleep at my house and my parents aren't letting me? I want to use Internet and my parents aren't letting me? Where will it stop?"

    The ruling to allow the field trip went against the wishes of her father who has legal custody of her but was in keeping with her mother's wishes.

    And while the case is raising some eyebrows, a tangled behind-the-scenes custody battle must be taken into account, said Montreal family law lawyer, Miriam Grassby.

    "It's a very different situation than a child who might appear to not be be happy with the parent's decision and simply saying I'm going to go court and I'm going to get what I want," she said. "And if in fact it's been portrayed that way, it's not putting in its complex context.

    While the girl's father has full legal custody, pending a further court decision, the girl has been living with her mother, Ms. Fortin said. But while Ms. Beaudoin says the girl went to live with her mother when her father forbade her from going on the trip, Ms. Fortin contends that she was "kicked out" of her father's house over family tensions.

    "In a situation like this where you're in contested custody proceedings, there's often a high level of conflict," said Ms. Grassby. "And one of the reasons that in Quebec that children have lawyers named for them is because the parents and the court recognizes that in high conflict situations it gives the child a safe place to first give their opinion, and get advice."

    Others say there are few signs Canadian courts are likely to follow the Quebec court judge's lead.

    "Family court judges are sort of loathe and reluctant to enter into the sphere of parental discipline," said Peter Dunning, executive director of the Child Welfare League of Canada.

    Cheryl Milne, a lawyer at the Canadian Foundation for Children, Youth and the Law, said the scenario in the Gatineau case may be unique to Quebec because of its civil code. "I can't imagine a similar case being brought in Ontario."

    Even in Quebec, the decision is virtually without precedent.

    The dispute between father and daughter began when he cut off her Internet access over her misuse. When she continued to find a way to use the Internet, he told his daughter she couldn't go on the three-day school trip.

    The girl's mother allowed her to go on the trip, but because the school wouldn't allow the girl to go unless both parents consented, the girl, with the mother's support took legal action against her father.

    According to Ms. Beaudoin, the judge ruled that denying the trip was unduly severe punishment.

    The father, who is appealing the decision, was "devastated" by the ruling, and is refusing to take his daughter back "because he has no authority over her."

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    Where do you find these stories??? I could see if she was a senior in high school, being denied an end of the year trip but 12 years old? That's too much.

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    Well, that sheds a little more light on it, but that judge still has no business deciding whether missing a trip is too much punishment.

    BTW, did that lawyer really say with a straight face, that finishing elementary school was a "end of a stage of her life"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menlow View Post
    Well, that sheds a little more light on it, but that judge still has no business deciding whether missing a trip is too much punishment.

    BTW, did that lawyer really say with a straight face, that finishing elementary school was a "end of a stage of her life"?
    Fucked if I even remember the end of elementary school, nor did I really care at the time. Hell, I still don't now!

    Sure, I've gotten in trouble at that age. Never thought of hiring a lawyer to get over it. You make mistakes, you take the consequences and learn from them. And if a judge is stupid enough to overrule punishment as stupid as the ones above, then there's something seriously wrong with both our court system and society

    You gotta feel for the parents. They're just trying to raise their children and if their disobedient, you have to treat them as such and show them who's boss. If the court system is willing to go to this extreme against parents, kinda makes you wonder what kids will be doing and trying to get out of years from now.

    It's pretty sad.
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    the court system didn't go against the parents, the parents went after each other. Both of them should have been fined for wasting the court's time. What an embarssment these two are.

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    This is beyond my comprehension as a parent. She was misusing the internet and posting inappropriate pics so her dad is acting responsible and taking away a privilege. A field trip is a privilege, not a necessity. Dear ol' mom seems to feel it's just fine and dandy. I can't wait till this girl meets a predator over the internet and what "mom" will say then. I'm sure she will feel that her daughter still isn't at fault and wonder how it could have happened. At least the dad is divorced from the dumb broad.

    And how stupid can the judge be to not realize that kids, especially at that age, will pit one parent against the other. The "mom" and her lawyer should have been fined for a frivolous lawsuit and publicly embarrassed by the judge and yet she found in their favor. Maybe the judge should start paying the "mom" child support since she has taken over the dad's parental duties.
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    This is why kids from divorced parents are so screwed up.

    That little girl is also headed for trouble too.

    I hope everyone who received an unfavorable ruling from this judge files a protest because his judgements were too harsh.
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    I wonder what the statute of limitations is on stuff like this.


    I'm thinking about all the shit I could sue my parents for, if this is the standard for taking legal action. I know the kid didn't ask for money, but isn't that the logical next step?

    Hmmm the "lite brite" that I DIDN'T get for Christmas in 1970....no explanation...just no "lite brite"! That left a psychic scar. The jingle still taunts me.... "Lite Brite makin' things with light...Outta sight makin' things with Lite Brite!"

    The sleepover birthday party that I didn't get to go to because I was in the hospital....they should have recreated the whole thing for me (down to the smallest detail) at a later date so that I did not have to miss out on that major life milestone

    They made me quit clarinet....sure I was awful, yes I hated it and we fought about it constantly, but if they had made me CONTINUE instead of making me quit, perhaps I would have had a breakthrough and had been the first rock and roll clarinetist instead of a lowly bass drum player.

    Oh, and speaking of... the time my Mom made me show up at the summer band concert wearing the summer band uniform...WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS THE DRUM LINE DOES NOT WEAR TO THE SUMMER CONCERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks MOM That alone should be worth a couple of bucks if I can get a compassionate judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post

    Hmmm the "lite brite" that I DIDN'T get for Christmas in 1970....no explanation...just no "lite brite"! That left a psychic scar. The jingle still taunts me.... "Lite Brite makin' things with light...Outta sight makin' things with Lite Brite!"
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