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    Default Heh, Al Qaeda Now At War... With Itself.

    This is a thing of beauty.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...85&ft=1&f=1001

    It seems that there's a rift in the group between those who question killing Muslem civillians and their #2 Man, who thinks greasing old ladies and little kids is just ducky.

    So Al Qaeda hits the WTC and the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 to punish the US because we support Israel & Saudi Arabia and this intent is to drive us from the Islamic world entirely. What have they received for their trouble?

    The loss of Afghanistan as a training base.

    The loss of Afghanistan as a place governed by Islamic extremists.

    The loss of their bases in Afghanistan meant the lose of a prime staging area to support operations in Kashmir and Chechnya.

    The loss of their only chance to overthrow the Pakistani Government and seize nuclear weapons.

    The loss of satellite bases and personel in the Philippines and Somalia.

    A larger US presence in the Middle East, which they have not only been able to defeat nor remove but has chewed up talented tactical personel and left much of the organization in the hands of common thugs.

    The crippling of Syria's secret nuclear weapons project and the shut down of the Iranian nuclear weapons project for three years due to the massive US surveillance in the region as it conducts operations inside Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The death of over 11,000 to 15,000 Al Qaeda operators and Al Qaeda wannabees in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Way to go, Al Qaeda.
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    Now they're whining online about how they've lost in Iraq:

    http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/hti.../20080527.aspx

    Al Qaeda Discusses Losing Iraq
    May 27, 2008: Al Qaeda web sites are making a lot of noise about "why we lost in Iraq." Western intelligence agencies are fascinated by the statistics being posted in several of these Arab language sites. Not the kind of stuff you read about in the Western media. According to al Qaeda, their collapse in Iraq was steep and catastrophic. According to their stats, in late 2006, al Qaeda was responsible for 60 percent of the terrorist attacks, and nearly all the ones that involved killing a lot of civilians. The rest of the violence was carried out by Iraqi Sunni Arab groups, who were trying in vain to scare the Americans out of the country.


    Today, al Qaeda has been shattered, with most of its leadership and foot soldiers dead, captured or moved from Iraq. As a result, al Qaeda attacks have declined more than 90 percent. Worse, most of their Iraqi Sunni Arab allies have turned on them, or simply quit. This "betrayal" is handled carefully on the terrorist web sites, for it is seen as both shameful, and perhaps recoverable.



    This defeat was not as sudden as it appeared to be, and some Islamic terrorist web sites have been discussing the problem for several years. The primary cause has been Moslems killed as a side effect of attacks on infidel troops, Iraqi security forces and non-Sunnis. Al Qaeda plays down the impact of this, calling the Moslem victims "involuntary martyrs." But that's a minority opinion. Most Moslems, and many other Islamic terrorists, see this as a surefire way to turn the Moslem population against the Islamic radicals. That's what happened earlier in Algeria, Afghanistan, Egypt and many other places. It's really got nothing to do with religion. The phenomenon hits non-Islamic terrorists as well (like the Irish IRA and the Basque ETA).



    The senior al Qaeda leadership saw the problem, and tried to convince the "Al Qaeda In Iraq" leadership to cool it. That didn't work. As early as 2004, some Sunni Arabs were turning on al Qaeda because of the "involuntary martyrs" problem. The many dead Shia Arab civilians led to a major terror campaign by the Shia majority. They controlled the government, had the Americans covering their backs, and soon half the Sunni Arab population were refugees.



    Meanwhile, the "Al Qaeda In Iraq" leadership was out of control. Most of these guys are really out there, at least in terms of fanaticism and extremism. This led to another fatal error. They declared the establishment of the "Islamic State of Iraq" in late 2006. This was an act of bravado, and touted as the first step in the re-establishment of the caliphate (a global Islamic state, ruled over by God's representative on earth, the caliph.) The caliphate has been a fiction for over a thousand years. Early on, the Islamic world was split by ethnic and national differences, and the first caliphate fell apart after a few centuries. Various rulers have claimed the title over the centuries, but since 1924, when the Turks gave it up (after four centuries), no one of any stature has taken it up. So when al Qaeda "elected" a nobody as the emir of the "Islamic State of Iraq", and talked about this being the foundation of the new caliphate, even many pro-al Qaeda Moslems were aghast. When al Qaeda could not, in 2007, exercise any real control over the parts of Iraq they claimed as part of the new Islamic State, it was the last straw. The key supporters, battered by increasingly effective American and Iraqi attacks, dropped their support for al Qaeda, and the terrorist organization got stomped to bits by the "surge offensive" of last year. The final insult was delivered by the former Iraqi Sunni Arab allies, who quickly switched sides, and sometimes even worked with the Americans (more so than the Shia dominated Iraqi security forces) to hunt down and kill al Qaeda operators.


    If you can read Arabic, you can easily find these pro-terrorism sites, and see for yourself how al Qaeda is trying to explain its own destruction to its remaining supporters. While it's common to assume the Information War has been going against the West, this was not the case when you checked with what was going on inside the enemy camp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
    What have they received for their trouble?
    Don't forget these stats too:



    Not to mention the 3.4 million Iraqi citizens who have been displaced by the war.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHalenRocks View Post
    Don't forget these stats too:



    Not to mention the 3.4 million Iraqi citizens who have been displaced by the war.

    Nope. That's bad info:

    http://news.nationaljournal.com/arti...bomb/index.htm

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/19/iraq

    It would be nice if we'd killed that many because maybe we'd be out of there by now. Also, half of those three million displaced have returned to Iraq since last fall.
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