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    Default Some interesting comments on Van Halen's US sales

    Sales certifications are not the most accurate way to check sales, but the only one I found immediately available to me. Here are some interesting things to look at:

    1984 was 4x Platinum by the end of 1984, the only Van Halen album outselling at this point was Van Halen I at 5x Platinum, despite head start.

    Between 1984 and 1989, VHI went from 5x to 6x Platinum in the space of 5 years. Strangely, it went 8x Platinum in the next 5 years, selling approximately double the amount in the same number of years. Despite this being after Roth's career downturn, and Van Halen's quietest year of their career (1990).

    Between 1993 and 1996, 3 years, VHI went from 7x Platinum to 10x Platinum, and this was infact the strongest long-term sales it had (6 years to sell first 5 million copies, 5 years to sell the 6th million, 4 years to sell the 7th million). In contrast, the better known album 1984 sold 6 million copies in 3 years but took 9 years to achieve a further 4 million sales.

    Despite overall low sales at 2x Platinum, RHRN had achieved the same certification in the year it was released (1993) as FUCK and OU812 did in the years they came out.

    Best Of Volume I was the first Van Halen album not to go 2x Platinum in year of release since Diver Down in 1982.

    In 2004, BOBW, BOVI, Balance, OU812 and 5150 were all re-certified, implying they checked sales for all Van Hagar albums. Each of the ones re-certified increased by 1x Platinum sales since last being checked, regardless of years (i.e. BOVI sold 1 million between 98 and 04, Balance sold 1 million between 95 and 04, OU812 sold 1 million between 89 and 04 and 5150 sold 1 million since 94).

    Not sure what half those facts mean but it's all interesting to think about.

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    I know many here will disagree with me, but it means that even thought I do think that VH1 and 1984 deserve to be the best selling albums in their catalog, it just cannot be denied that the continued success the band enjoyed after Dave's departure contributed to the overall sales of the DLR led albums.

    For whatever the reason or multitude of reasons, I think, and I think most feelt he same, is that the DLR albums are on a whole just a little bit better (no matter who you think is the better singer), but the fact the Hagar albums were still damn good helped the older catalog sales.
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    lp to cassette to cd

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    If one train leaves Pasadena heading south at 60 mph carrying Dave era albums, and another heads north from Cabo carrying Sam era albums at 70 mph, which will collide with a broken down pickup on the tracks at Guerro Negro carrying copies of VH3 first?
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    Usually record companies track sales pretty closely the first year or so of an album's release. Beyond that, records are submitted sporadically for certification. It's hard to say exactly when an older album sold it's "x" millionth unit because it's not flagged and certified immediately. For instance, 5150, Balance, OU812, and VH II all got further certified on 5/12/2004. Obviously all four of those albums didn't hit milestones at once. It may be that Balance reached the mark a year before and by the time it was recognized, it was halfway to the next milestone.

    One note about RHRN, since it was a double CD, every sale counted twice. So if it was certified the same as OU812 or FUCK, that means it really sold half as much.

    As noted before, the move to CDs in the early 90's helped sell more albums all over again as well.


    The continuing strong sales of the Dave catalog during the Sam years is why Sam has been known to say that VH sold more albums when he was in the band then Dave did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VH_VAREB View Post
    If one train leaves Pasadena heading south at 60 mph carrying Dave era albums, and another heads north from Cabo carrying Sam era albums at 70 mph, which will collide with a broken down pickup on the tracks at Guerro Negro carrying copies of VH3 first?
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    lp to cassette to cd
    It's lp to 8-track to cassette to cd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I know many here will disagree with me, but it means that even thought I do think that VH1 and 1984 deserve to be the best selling albums in their catalog, it just cannot be denied that the continued success the band enjoyed after Dave's departure contributed to the overall sales of the DLR led albums.

    For whatever the reason or multitude of reasons, I think, and I think most feelt he same, is that the DLR albums are on a whole just a little bit better (no matter who you think is the better singer), but the fact the Hagar albums were still damn good helped the older catalog sales.
    This is a valid and honest assessment...along with the changes from LP to 8-track etc. etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VH122 View Post
    It's lp to 8-track to cassette to cd.
    Back in the day (1970s), LPs and 8-tracks were pretty much on equal terms and people bought whichever format best suited their situation. I don't think there wasn't a distinct and established pattern where people bought the LP, and then "moved up" to the 8-track. Although some hardcore fans bought the LP for listening on the home stereo and an 8-track for listening in the car stereo. But albums and 8-track tapes cost around $5 back then, and that was a lot of money to shell out, so you had to be pretty selective about which release you were willing to buy both the LP and the tape.

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    Yea, i agree. Not sure there is any kinda of sales spike there. My brother brought home VH1 and told me to play Eruption. I then went out and bought the lp.Never owned the 8-track.

    The only group that i can recall having a copy of both was Boston's first release. I bought the lp and traded a gram of hash for the 8 track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I know many here will disagree with me, but it means that even though I do think that VH1 and 1984 deserve to be the best selling albums in their catalog, it just cannot be denied that the continued success the band enjoyed after Dave's departure contributed to the overall sales of the DLR led albums.

    Sure. I can use myself as a perfect example here. I'm newbie to Van Halen, only really getting into them about 10 yrs ago. The first album I bought was VH1. I liked it and bought the others. I didn't really care about the different lead singers (and still don't), I bought the albums for the music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menlow View Post
    Usually record companies track sales pretty closely the first year or so of an album's release. Beyond that, records are submitted sporadically for certification. It's hard to say exactly when an older album sold it's "x" millionth unit because it's not flagged and certified immediately. For instance, 5150, Balance, OU812, and VH II all got further certified on 5/12/2004. Obviously all four of those albums didn't hit milestones at once. It may be that Balance reached the mark a year before and by the time it was recognized, it was halfway to the next milestone.
    Yeah, I know it's a VERY rough measurement.

    One note about RHRN, since it was a double CD, every sale counted twice. So if it was certified the same as OU812 or FUCK, that means it really sold half as much.
    You're correct, same is true of BOBW of course. As a minor side note, that only happens if the double album is over 100 minutes in length. So albums like The Wall only count as one sale per item sold.

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    Another interesting comparison is that Best of Vol I went 3 X Platinum and Best of Both Worlds went 1 X Platinum as a double c.d. (which really only sold over 500,000 units).

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitard View Post
    Back in the day (1970s), LPs and 8-tracks were pretty much on equal terms and people bought whichever format best suited their situation. I don't think there wasn't a distinct and established pattern where people bought the LP, and then "moved up" to the 8-track. Although some hardcore fans bought the LP for listening on the home stereo and an 8-track for listening in the car stereo. But albums and 8-track tapes cost around $5 back then, and that was a lot of money to shell out, so you had to be pretty selective about which release you were willing to buy both the LP and the tape.

    I was one of those who was basically forced to buy the 8-track, as you simply could not find VH I on LP after they opened for Sabbath. Of course, over the years, I added to the total...LP, cassette and then the CD.
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