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    BEIJING, China (AP) -- The presidents of China and Russia have condemned U.S. plans for a global missile defense system.

    In a joint statement signed with Chinese President Hu Jintao, the leaders said a U.S. plan for a global missile defense system "does not help to maintain strategic balance and stability or strengthen international efforts to control nonproliferation."

    Moscow and Beijing have formed closer ties in recent years as part of their efforts to counterbalance Washington's global dominance.

    The agreement came after new Russian President Dmitry Medvedev arrived Friday in Beijing on his first overseas trip since his inauguration earlier this month -- a further sign of improving ties between the one-time Cold War rivals.

    The official Xinhua News Agency said Medvedev's two-day visit will include talks with President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao. His arrival in Beijing was to come after a stop in neighboring Kazakhstan on Thursday, where he was seeking to preserve his country's clout in the energy-rich Central Asian region.

    China and Russia have built a relationship intended to serve as a counterweight to U.S. dominance, but continued friction remains -- especially over oil and gas -- in Central Asia.

    Medvedev's trip to Kazakhstan was apparently intended to send a message to both Beijing and the West that Moscow continues to see the former Soviet Central Asia as its home turf.

    "Russia is worried by China's quiet expansion in Central Asia," said Fyodor Lukyanov, editor of Russia in Global Affairs magazine. "Moscow has grown accustomed to viewing Central Asia as its backyard, but China doesn't share this view."

    China already has won a cut of the region's riches, reaching an oil pipeline deal with Kazakhstan and negotiating a gas agreement with Turkmenistan.

    "China has been actively seeking to secure energy supplies from Central Asia and they have gone quite far," said Alexander Konovalov, head of the Moscow-based Institute for Strategic Assessment.

    There is also rich symbolism in Medvedev's choice of China as the main destination of his first foreign trip. When his predecessor, Vladimir Putin, went abroad for the first time as president in 2000, he traveled to London -- via Belarus -- with a message Russia wanted closer ties to the West.

    In recent years, China and Russia have made highly symbolic political overtures to one another, holding joint military maneuvers and engaging in high-level talks on creating a "multi-polar world."

    They have taken a coordinated stance on several global issues, sharing opposition to Kosovo's independence and U.S. missile defense plans, and taking a similar approach to the Iran nuclear issue.

    Putin greatly strengthened relations with China, reaching a long-delayed agreement on demarcation of the 2,700 mile border.

    However, economic ties have lagged behind. Bilateral trade rose by about one-third last year to some $48 billion, but still accounts for only 2 percent of China's global trade. China does more than eight times as much business with the United States.
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    However, economic ties have lagged behind. Bilateral trade rose by about one-third last year to some $48 billion, but still accounts for only 2 percent of China's global trade. China does more than eight times as much business with the United States.
    Guess there arent any WalMarts in Russia....YET
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    Where is the stuff made that they have in China's Wal-Marts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisTheEdHead View Post
    Guess there arent any WalMarts in Russia....YET
    They have a cheap enough labor not to import everything from China. Besides - those figures are based on the official statistics. Ten times more money are circulated thru a grey market - that is clothes trade by chinese voyagers, which is techinally illegal, but the government closes it's eyes on it.


    Regarding the OP - I can see both sides on this, but I agree that the US would only cause Russia-China developing their own GMDS, on top of them already having, well, this -

    "Forbes is reporting that although interest in the missile defense system has waned while the US military addresses more pressing matters of immediate concern, the Russians have already developed an anti-missile-defense missile designed to defeat the system. Were the US military to actually prove that the missile defense shield worked, the Russian rocket's "zig-zag" flightpath taken en route to it's target would render the shield useless. Russian President Vladimir Putin says that the non-ballistic trajectory would leave the projectile virtually impossible to down or divert. The author feels inclined to say that the missile defense shield was intended as a defense against rogue states such as North Korea that have not acquired this technology yet."

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    Unless you guys develop laser-shooting space sentinels, it wouldn't work.

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    Why are we still wasting money on this?
    If there's a nuclear attack on U.S. soil, it's going to be a suitcase bomb in Grand Central Station, not an ICBM.







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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterlessIceness View Post
    Unless you guys develop laser-shooting space sentinels, it wouldn't work.
    Its in experimental status now...
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    I don't see anything wrong with having a missle defense system. Those Chinese are crazy mother fuckers. Just like the Japs in WWII they want to rule as much of the world as possible if given the chance. Iran, N. Korea, etc. lots of countries in the world would love to take a shot at us if they could. I'd rather be prepared and not have to use it. Put the shoe on the other foot, would we give a shit if China and or Russia had a defense system?

    That being said the suitcase scenario is probably more likely in the near future.

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    Hey, take off your bullet proof vest. If I want to shoot you it will stop the bullets. No fair. I mean, if you're wearing a bullet proof vest and other body armor then how can I threaten you with my gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr5115 View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with having a missle defense system. Those Chinese are crazy mother fuckers. Just like the Japs in WWII they want to rule as much of the world as possible if given the chance.
    Just like America as in right now

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    Iran, N. Korea, etc. lots of countries in the world would love to take a shot at us if they could.
    They wouldn't.

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    I'd rather be prepared and not have to use it.
    You already can't use it, and it's not even developed.

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    Put the shoe on the other foot, would we give a shit if China and or Russia had a defense system?
    Yes, because you don't have ICBMs to breach that system yet.

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    Hey, take off your bullet proof vest. If I want to shoot you it will stop the bullets. No fair. I mean, if you're wearing a bullet proof vest and other body armor then how can I threaten you with my gun?

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    Get the neocons out of office and we won't be trying to control the world anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterlessIceness View Post
    Just like America as in right now



    They wouldn't.



    You already can't use it, and it's not even developed.



    Yes, because you don't have ICBMs to breach that system yet.
    Thank you for enlightening me on how the world works. We (U.S.A.) have every right to defend ourselves, if the rest of the world doesn't like it, tough shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr5115 View Post
    Thank you for enlightening me on how the world works. We (U.S.A.) have every right to defend ourselves, if the rest of the world doesn't like it, tough shit.
    There's a difference between self-defense and being a big pussy.

    To me, it seems like the U.S. is that one kid on the block whose mom makes him wear a helmet, knee pads, elbow pads, and gloves to go skateboarding.







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    I'm all up for self-defense, but I agree with BW on this. That would be just a huge waste of tax-payers money.

 

 

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