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    Was watching the news tonite and heard the bad news that a well established trucking co. based in NJ (JEVIC) said to all their employees today will be their last day. http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...,3744899.story

    1500 jobs lost, without warning. The president of the company said because of the rising fuel cost that goes up every day is the reason for the fall of this company. http://www.jevic.com/employee/Jevic%20Final%20QA.pdf

    All these people were told that their health coverage will be terminated as of today. http://www.jevic.com/employee/Dear_J...oyee%27s1_.pdf

    Looks like thing aren't getting any better. Hold on for dear life as I think it's going to get alot worse.
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    You ain't just whistlin' Dixie. My hubby works for the big one, Yellow/Roadway/USF and they had to recently borrow money due to rising fuel costs. They are set to cut something along the lines of 25,000 jobs nationwide, at least that is the rumor. They will be combining facilities/jobs where possible.
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    Great Depression 2 much anyone?

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    Things are going to start getting REALLY BAD....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholas_kudochop View Post
    Things are going to start getting REALLY BAD....
    No not for awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuddman5150 View Post
    No not for awhile.
    I suppose that depends on whether or not the company you work for just went under, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeL View Post
    I suppose that depends on whether or not the company you work for just went under, eh?
    lol. Suppose that'd be true.

    Big scheme though, I think he's right. I also don't think it's as bad as what people think. There is no great depression II. It's a recession. Our market is one that can adjust. I'm buying stocks on etrade.....as much as I can afford to lose anyways.
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    I've been buying, too. My gut tells me that I'll be selling sometime mid-summer. I don't want to have my money in the market come fall. I've never invested in foreign currencies, but I think that's where a portion of my money is going to go. It's tempting to just cash out and pay off my school loans, but I'm not so sure that long-term debt is a bad thing to have at the moment.

    Our market adjusts, but our society doesn't do that adeptly. I don't care much about economic classifications. I see disposable income being swallowed by increased energy and food costs. The spending will continue, but it's shifting.

    There isn't going to be a Great Depression II this year or the next. We're at the beginning of what some have called the long emergency. Each year will bring us closer, not to any brink in a linear path necessarily, but to the probability that certain confluences of events will come about. Within 15 to 20 years we'll be beyond our ability to adapt.

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    and this is the shit our elected politicians concern themselves with, http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...noring-sexism/, not we the people...
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    I heard about this from the New Jersey Motor truck association. This was a pretty big company. My company sent out a letter to Jevic saying that they we could hire on a couple of their drivers.
    Anyway the price of fuel is killing the nation and something has got to give.

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    One of the issues closely tied to the energy crisis and particularly the so called "gas crisis" is the widespread implementation of zoning in urban planning.

    The wide spread use of zoning, after the turn of the century (but particularly the implementation of Euclidian zoning after world war II) has effectuated the end of the neighborhood and facilitated the segregation of uses and activities associated with land use. This has caused an increase in the dependency on the automobile and truck to take care of the transportation needs of the community.

    Prior to the widespread regulation of land use, neighborhoods were built to be self contained. Neighborhood stores provided all of the daily needs of the residents of that neighborhood. Corner grocers, bakers, schools, taverns, cafes and even theatres provided the residents a local source for their daily needs. Local small factories and light manufaturing provided laborers a means of support.

    While urban planning has provided Americans with a great benefit in that air quality in residential areas has improved by moving industry to regulated zones, the downside is the growth of suburbia the rise of the "big box store". The lack of planning for public transportation has caused America to be a society dependent upon the individual's ability to acquire and maintain their own transportation and new neighborhoods proclaimed that dependence in the form of architecture that prominently featured the ugly GARAGE (not to mention the ugly, unsafe and noise polluting "expressway).

    These days the "new urbanism" theory is attempting to offer an option to the inflexible and outdated use of Euclidian zoning. Nieghborhoods are being built that have SIDEWALKS!!! and places to walk to using these sidewalks!!!! Local libraires, post offices, mixed use developments that have retail, and office space are being built into new communities mimicking the nieghborhoods that our great great grandfather's built.

    I'm not saying that we should go back to the horse and buggy era, but I think that higher gas prices may be just what we need to spur the development of more liveable and less isolated communities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post

    I'm not saying that we should go back to the horse and buggy era, but I think that higher gas prices may be just what we need to spur the development of more liveable and less isolated communities.
    I don't disagree with you at all. Urban sprawl is as much to blame as anything. The challenge at this point is a whole new set of economics. I can't speak for everywhere but in Southern Ontario, the closer you move towards the major cities, the higher the cost of houses. If I buy a condo close to or on the fringe of downtown Toronto the minimum I will pay is $500000 for the smallest shed size apartment. If I drive 25 minutes west or east of the city then that same condo will cost me $275000. With the numbers set up like that we find more and more people making the drive and, to your point, experience a higher fuel expenditure. The way cities are growing and spreading out and swallowing up neighbouring communities, a closer grouped community may be beyond an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daisy Hill View Post
    One of the issues closely tied to the energy crisis and particularly the so called "gas crisis" is the widespread implementation of zoning in urban planning.

    The wide spread use of zoning, after the turn of the century (but particularly the implementation of Euclidian zoning after world war II) has effectuated the end of the neighborhood and facilitated the segregation of uses and activities associated with land use. This has caused an increase in the dependency on the automobile and truck to take care of the transportation needs of the community.

    Prior to the widespread regulation of land use, neighborhoods were built to be self contained. Neighborhood stores provided all of the daily needs of the residents of that neighborhood. Corner grocers, bakers, schools, taverns, cafes and even theatres provided the residents a local source for their daily needs. Local small factories and light manufaturing provided laborers a means of support.

    While urban planning has provided Americans with a great benefit in that air quality in residential areas has improved by moving industry to regulated zones, the downside is the growth of suburbia the rise of the "big box store". The lack of planning for public transportation has caused America to be a society dependent upon the individual's ability to acquire and maintain their own transportation and new neighborhoods proclaimed that dependence in the form of architecture that prominently featured the ugly GARAGE (not to mention the ugly, unsafe and noise polluting "expressway).

    These days the "new urbanism" theory is attempting to offer an option to the inflexible and outdated use of Euclidian zoning. Nieghborhoods are being built that have SIDEWALKS!!! and places to walk to using these sidewalks!!!! Local libraires, post offices, mixed use developments that have retail, and office space are being built into new communities mimicking the nieghborhoods that our great great grandfather's built.

    I'm not saying that we should go back to the horse and buggy era, but I think that higher gas prices may be just what we need to spur the development of more liveable and less isolated communities.
    Excellent post...

    One thing to also consider, is how many farms have we lost in the name of suburban sprawl... These are the farms that used to feed the local markets of the smaller villages, that people could walk to... Some farms still exist, but they have become stagnat due to the inability to compete with cheap imported big-box store food/fruits...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jetguy5150 View Post
    I don't disagree with you at all. Urban sprawl is as much to blame as anything. The challenge at this point is a whole new set of economics. I can't speak for everywhere but in Southern Ontario, the closer you move towards the major cities, the higher the cost of houses. If I buy a condo close to or on the fringe of downtown Toronto the minimum I will pay is $500000 for the smallest shed size apartment. If I drive 25 minutes west or east of the city then that same condo will cost me $275000. With the numbers set up like that we find more and more people making the drive and, to your point, experience a higher fuel expenditure. The way cities are growing and spreading out and swallowing up neighbouring communities, a closer grouped community may be beyond an option.

    Yes, urban sprawl certainly has had an effect, and I am sure that the genie is too long gone from the bottle to fix that. What I don't get is some of the downright bone headed choices some people have made. When we were renting 7 years ago in Palm Coast, I could not believe the number of people who commuted to Orlando or Jacksonville to go to work. I mean, you are talking 1.5 hours of travel time minimum to either, and that assumes that neither I-95 nor I-4 are having traffic issues...not freaking likely. Yes, my wife works roughly 25 miles away, but surprisingly, she burns less fuel now than when we lived in South Florida and her work was only 10 miles away.

    Getting back to the topic at hand though. I know, through friends and family members, a number of independent truckers who are hurting really bad right now. One has basically parked his rig and taken a job locally in hopes that he can make ends meet. Its just not right, these folks put the bread and butter on our tables and the fuel in our tanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voivod View Post
    Excellent post...

    One thing to also consider, is how many farms have we lost in the name of suburban sprawl... These are the farms that used to feed the local markets of the smaller villages, that people could walk to... Some farms still exist, but they have become stagnat due to the inability to compete with cheap imported big-box store food/fruits...

    Times lost...
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    Great post Daisy. This is true too voivod, land developers are constantly tempting these small farmers with big bucks until finally the farmer caves to temptation. Some farmers hold out for years until the price is so great that they eventually sell their land to make way for offices or strip malls. That's sad if you ask me. I see this around my area plenty.

    Our trucking industry is taking a major blow by these higher fuel prices no doubt. There's got to be a change soon before it collapses. Companies are going belly up right and left.

 

 

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