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    I just went to see Tres Hombres last night. It would definitely seem that several Van Halen songs have a ZZ Top Influence. I was struck by the rhythmic similarity of Heard It On The X from 1975 and Hot For Teacher. They're quite alike and I can't decide which one is better.

    I know that Cactus gets some credit here but does ZZ Top ever get the nod? Billy Gibbons even taps - not arpegiated as far as I know but that'd be a dude tapping on the records.

    Anyone else notice this? Oh and go see Tres Hombres - a bunch of guys pushing 60 who probably play Top better than Top.

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    I don't really feel it here. I do know that Billy Gibbons LOVES Eddie. He was asked who the five best players he ever heard were and he said, "Eddie Van Halen would be numbers one through five and then the rest of the list would open up." That is pretty flattering from a great player who also happened to be Jimi Hendrix favorite player.

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    Looking through some pre-record deal VH boots, I noticed that VH did several covers of ZZ Top songs: La Grange, Chevrolet, Tush, Waiting For The Bus, Francine, and Beer Drinkers and Hell Raisers. There would appear to be some influence, playing ZZ songs on stage regularly before starting to incorporate their own songs into their sets.
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    There's definitely some influence. "Mean Street" has a ZZ Top feel to it and the "spoken" portion of "Me Wise Magic" does, too (think "Manic Mechanic").
    The early ZZ Top stuff was great three-man Texas boogie. And the 1974 BBQ at Texas Stadium was a blast -- 80,000 people. They ran out of que and drinks. Even the fast-food joints along Guadalupe ran out of ice. We used to listen to the X as kids, too, so that song brings back memories!

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    The Full Bug definitely sounds ZZ Top-ish to me.
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    I've always thought that Hot For Teacher resembled La Grange more than anything....the riffs are real similar.


    Ed's always said he loves a good boogie groove, ZZ Top is a great boogie band......so it stands to reason.
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    Le Grange and Bottoms Up! are the obvious examples to me.



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    So it has gotten to the point that rather than notice a band may have similar blues/boogie influences in it's music, we simply name a group that easily comes to mind as being exemplifiers of such music, then state that they are a primary influence. How deeply thoughtful, not to mention idiotic and mentally lazy. Using this inane form of "logic", one can not help but point out that there are a few decent harmonies evident in the backing vocals of a handful of VH tunes. No doubt they were "influenced" by the Partridge Family, the Monkees or a viewing of "The Sound of Music".
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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    So it has gotten to the point that rather than notice a band may have similar blues/boogie influences in it's music, we simply name a group that easily comes to mind as being exemplifiers of such music, then state that they are a primary influence. How deeply thoughtful, not to mention idiotic and mentally lazy. Using this inane form of "logic", one can not help but point out that there are a few decent harmonies evident in the backing vocals of a handful of VH tunes. No doubt they were "influenced" by the Partridge Family, the Monkees or a viewing of "The Sound of Music".
    Somebody woke up cranky this morning. I really don't see where anyone said "primary" influence. I'm sure each member of Van Halen has been influenced by several, if not many, artists who preceeded them. I'll bet they listened to ZZ Top in high school. What's the big deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    So it has gotten to the point that rather than notice a band may have similar blues/boogie influences in it's music, we simply name a group that easily comes to mind as being exemplifiers of such music, then state that they are a primary influence. How deeply thoughtful, not to mention idiotic and mentally lazy. Using this inane form of "logic", one can not help but point out that there are a few decent harmonies evident in the backing vocals of a handful of VH tunes. No doubt they were "influenced" by the Partridge Family, the Monkees or a viewing of "The Sound of Music".
    Damn, chef. Did somebody piss in your Wheaties this morning?

    Speaking of the Monkees, is it just me, or did the Beatles blatantly rip off their entire act?
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    Because its simplistic labeling, that's why. No effort is made to explore the how's and why's of a particular form of music's evolution, instead it's foolishly attached a tag to make it far more easily digestible. The fact is, Z.Z.Top have little if anything to do with the origins of boogie music. So to offer a post stating that they were an influence, not to mention the inability to decide which one (Heard It On The X or Hot For Teacher) is preferred is simply ludicrous. It's like watching an episode of "Gilligan's Island" and stating that the "Skipper" was the inspiration for Locke on "LOST".
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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    Because its simplistic labeling, that's why. No effort is made to explore the how's and why's of a particular form of music's evolution, instead it's foolishly attached a tag to make it far more easily digestible. The fact is, Z.Z.Top have little if anything to do with the origins of boogie music. So to offer a post stating that they were an influence, not to mention the inability to decide which one (Heard It On The X or Hot For Teacher) is preferred is simply ludicrous. It's like watching an episode of "Gilligan's Island" and stating that the "Skipper" was the inspiration for Locke on "LOST".
    So, I take it we should dismiss Eric Clapton when he says he was influenced by Robert Johnson?

    And of course, Elvis couldn't possibly have influenced the Beatles, since he himself was not the origin of the music.

    Get a grip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vargasgirl View Post
    So, I take it we should dismiss Eric Clapton when he says he was influenced by Robert Johnson?

    And of course, Elvis couldn't possibly have influenced the Beatles, since he himself was not the origin of the music.

    Get a grip.
    Get a grip? Heed your own advice, as you obviously fail to grasp what is being stated. Truly being influenced or inspired by someone/something is far different than having it's association implied in retrospect.
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    Tell me that you don't hear the influence of "My Favorite Things" from "The Sound of Music" in the following STP tune:

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Coulda Hada VH View Post
    Tell me that you don't hear the influence of "My Favorite Things" from "The Sound of Music" in the following STP tune:

    To use vargasgirl's somewhat vapid conclusion jumping ability, you must also mention the Allman Brothers' "Melissa" and the Doors' Jim Morrison, thus concluding that STP were from the Gainesville, Florida area.
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