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    Rumsfeld On Tape: Terror Attack Could Restore Neo-Con Agenda

    Former Defense Secretary's conversation with military analysts on political problems - "The Correction For That...Is An Attack"

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    Shocking excerpts of confidential recordings recently released under the Freedom of Information Act feature former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld talking with top military analysts about how a flagging Neo-Con political agenda could be successfully restored with the aid of another terrorist attack on America.

    The tape also includes a conversation where Rumsfeld and the military analysts agree on the possible necessity of installing a brutal dictator in Iraq to oversee U.S. interests.

    The tapes were released as part of the investigation into the Pentagon's "message force multipliers" program in which top military analysts were hired to propagandize for the Iraq war in the corporate media.



    Rumsfeld On Tape: Terror Attack Could Restore Neo-Con Agenda
    Former Defense Secretary's conversation with military analysts on political problems - "The Correction For That...Is An Attack"

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    Shocking excerpts of confidential recordings recently released under the Freedom of Information Act feature former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld talking with top military analysts about how a flagging Neo-Con political agenda could be successfully restored with the aid of another terrorist attack on America.

    The tape also includes a conversation where Rumsfeld and the military analysts agree on the possible necessity of installing a brutal dictator in Iraq to oversee U.S. interests.

    The tapes were released as part of the investigation into the Pentagon's "message force multipliers" program in which top military analysts were hired to propagandize for the Iraq war in the corporate media.

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    In attendance at the valedictory luncheon Rumsfeld hosted on December 12, 2006 were David L. Grange, Donald W. Sheppard, James Marks, Rick Francona, Wayne Downing, and Robert H. Scales, Jr. among others.

    The most extraordinary exchange takes place when Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong bemoans shrinking political support for Neo-Con war plans on Capitol Hill and suggests that sympathy for the Bush administration's agenda will only be achieved after a new terror attack.

    Rumsfeld agrees that the psychological impact of 9/11 is wearing off and the "behavior pattern" of citizens in both the U.S. and Europe suggests that they are unconcerned about the threat of terror.

    DELONG: Politically, what are the challenges because you're not going to have a lot of sympathetic ears up there until it [a terror attack] happens.

    RUMSFELD: That's what I was just going to say. This President's pretty much a victim of success. We haven't had an attack in five years. The perception of the threat is so low in this society that it's not surprising that the behavior pattern reflects a low threat assessment. The same thing's in Europe, there's a low threat perception. The correction for that, I suppose, is an attack. And when that happens, then everyone gets energized for another [inaudible] and it's a shame we don't have the maturity to recognize the seriousness of the threats...the lethality, the carnage, that can be imposed on our society is so real and so present and so serious that you'd think we'd be able to understand it, but as a society, the longer you get away from 9/11, the less...the less...

    Click here for the audio clip.

    In another exchange, after assuring that comments are "off the record," Rumsfeld and one of the military analysts agree that Iraq could use a "Syngman Rhee" to take control of Iraq. Syngman Rhee was the ruthless authoritarian dictator of South Korea from after World War II through the Korean War to 1960. If the invasion of Iraq was about liberating the Iraqis from a tyrant in the form of Saddam Hussein why is Rumsfeld talking about installing an even more brutal dictator?

    Click here for the audio clip. Newsvine has the recording in full.

    Rumsfeld's admission that the correction for dwindling support of the Neo-Con imperial crusade is another terror attack is perhaps the most startling and blatant indication that 9/11 was an inside job.

    How much more evidence do we need to confirm that the Neo-Con hierarchy in control of the U.S. government are instigating and exploiting terror in the pursuit of their own domestic and geopolitical agenda?

    As Jerry Mazza writes today, "In the seven years since the day, exhaustive and still growing evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the US government, spearheaded by the Bush administration, planned, orchestrated and executed the 9/11 false flag operation. As openly advocated by wide swaths of elites, from the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), of which Rumsfeld has been a member, to the likes of Zbigniew Brzezinski (in his The Grand Chessboard), only an attack “on the order of Pearl Harbor” would, in Brzezinski’s words, cause the American people to support an “imperial mobilization,” and a world war."

    Placing the new evidence against previously revealed 9/11-related acts on the part of Rumsfeld, his guilt is overt and obvious. Recall that it was Rumsfeld who enthusiastically penned the "Go Massive" memo, gleefully declaring the Bush administration finally had the green light to kill: “Not only UBL (Usama bin Laden). Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not.”

    The longing for a new terror attack to corral the masses back behind the Neo-Con agenda is a shared fetish amongst Neo-Cons, policy wonks and academics alike.

    In August last year Philadelphia Daily News columnist Stu Bykofsky openly called for "another 9/11" that "would help America" restore a "community of outrage and national resolve".

    Lt.-Col. Doug Delaney, chair of the war studies program at the Royal Military College in Kingston, Ontario, told the Toronto Star last July that "The key to bolstering Western resolve is another terrorist attack like 9/11 or the London transit bombings of two years ago."

    The same sentiment was also explicitly expressed in a 2005 GOP memo, which yearned for new attacks that would "validate" the President's war on terror and "restore his image as a leader of the American people."

    Also in July 2007, former Republican Senator Rick Santorum suggested that a series of "unfortunate events," namely terrorist attacks, will occur within the next year and change American citizen's perception of the war.

    And the month before that, the new chairman of the Arkansas Republican Party Dennis Milligan said that there needed to be more attacks on American soil for President Bush to regain popular approval.

    Comments posted on the left-wing Huffington Post website in response to the Rumsfeld tape indicate that even some of the most hardcore conspiracy debunkers have had their beliefs shaken to the core by the former Defense Secretary's admission.

    "I have been a very staunch opponent of conspiracy theories," writes one, "but to hear the man most responsible for stopping foreign threats to American lives musing that a successful attack on the USA is somehow a "cure" for us... it almost makes me want to make a tinfoil hat with the nuts I made fun of."

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    Really, really unfortunate. It's really no surprise. Unfortunately, people will still be in denial about the Bush administration's real agenda. However, it's good that came out...hopefully people will now start to wake up to the Neo-Con agenda.

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    This isn't new news. Rumsfeld said this before Bush was in power. It's outlined in a document called "Rebuilding America's Defense" written by a neo-con group called the PNAC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by xaminer View Post
    This isn't new news. Rumsfeld said this before Bush was in power. It's outlined in a document called "Rebuilding America's Defense" written by a neo-con group called the PNAC.


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    Bullshit. The document, a think-tank opinion piece about rebuilding America's defenses says no such thing.

    Period.

    Dipshits(who've never actually read the document) site the PNAC piece saying that they call for a "New Pearl Harbor" so they could install their neo-con ( a racist term for Jewish conservatives) vision of America and blah blah.

    The FACTS?

    The part where Pearl Harbor is mentioned comes way down in the chapter about rebuilding the Navy for the 21st century. It states that just as Pearl Harbor ushered in the age of the aircraft carrier a future attack could catch our Navy unprepaired for the next dominant type of naval warfare.

    That's it, that's all it says.

    The document IS a blueprint for the first four years for bad Iraq War planning, it is amazingly foolish and based on unrealistic conditions that were thought could materialize once we took Bagdhad. It's worth a read.

    Beyond that, there is no new news here and Prison Planet.com is a delusional website run by the mentally ill.
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    Not a fan of conspiracy theories. However based on the facts, members past and present of the Bush administration who contributed to this illegal war should be behind bars. Would be a small price to pay for thousands of lives lost.
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    Once again this is a misreading of words and a placing of different meanings and intent.

    Just as with the PNAC section (yes, it does exist. It is the bit about the speed of the process of transformation and not to do with the navy...mentioned here http://www.vhlinks.com/vbforums/bush....html?p=970184) , both that and this comment make the point that support for the neo-con agenda would be boosted/restored by an attack.

    I hate what the neo-cons are doing to the world and I believe that a lot of them are criminals in any language, but interpreting such comments in this manner does not help to bring them to justice and makes the writers look like fools.

    Both comments are on a par with a umbrella salesman saying that if there is a bad storm coming his sales will go up.

    btw Funny though, the PNAC website no longer exists. No bother, there are hundreds all over the place. I even printed out a copy of "Rebuilding America's defences" for a friend, just because I couldn't believe that these lunatics were running a country.
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    If I could ask Bush one question it would be. What would the response of the USA be to a dirty bomb attack or suitcase nuke be? Funny its never been asked that I know of,for that case ask it to the candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou812@5150 View Post
    he can probably explain it better than i so i will give you the link, but Alex Jones is simply their response to Eric Hufschmid the original 9/11 skeptic who already had a book out by 2002. Alex, like Ron Paul, exist for one reason: get names.
    So indeed the previous replier is somewhat correct as the criminal network is comprised mainly of Jews, but it is neither racist or anti-semetic to say so as it is documented fact and no one honest is criticizing them because they are Jewish but rather for the crimes they have committed. They term non-Jews as the 'goyim' so Alex Jones is what they refer to as a 'goy pen' where honest people get rounded up like sheep so that the zionists can identify their opponents.

    Thanks for starting an enlightening thread. And hope you enjoy the link to one of the last legitimate 9/11 truthers out there.

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    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...conspiracies/1

    BUSH: So, what's the plan again?

    CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we've decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they're real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we'll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.

    RUMSFELD: Right! And we'll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we'll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion.

    CHENEY: No, Dick, we won't.

    RUMSFELD: We won't?

    CHENEY: No, that's too obvious. We'll make the hijackers Al Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq.

    RUMSFELD: But if we're just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam's fingerprints on the attack?

    CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Dick. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we're not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq. Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around.

    BUSH: I'm a total idiot who can barely read, so I'll buy that. But I've got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don't we just blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists?

    RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don't understand. It's much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks, plant the bombs and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed and needlessly complicate everything!

    CHENEY: Of course, just toppling the Twin Towers will never be enough. No one would give us the war mandate we need if we just blow up the Towers. Clearly, we also need to shoot a missile at a small corner of the Pentagon to create a mightily underpublicized additional symbol of international terrorism -- and then, obviously, we need to fake a plane crash in the middle of fucking nowhere in rural Pennsylvania.

    RUMSFELD: Yeah, it goes without saying that the level of public outrage will not be sufficient without that crash in the middle of fucking nowhere.

    CHENEY: And the Pentagon crash -- we'll have to do it in broad daylight and say it was a plane, even though it'll really be a cruise missile.
    BUSH: Wait, why do we have to use a missile?

    CHENEY: Because it's much easier to shoot a missile and say it was a plane. It's not easy to steer a real passenger plane into the Pentagon. Planes are hard to come by.

    BUSH: But aren't we using two planes for the Twin Towers?

    CHENEY: Mr. President, you're missing the point. With the Pentagon, we use a missile, and say it was a plane.

    BUSH: Right, but I'm saying, why don't we just use a plane and say it was a plane? We'll be doing that with the Twin Towers, right?

    CHENEY: Right, but in this case, we use a missile. (Throws hands up in frustration) Don, can you help me out here?

    RUMSFELD: Mr. President, in Washington, we use a missile because it's sneakier that way. Using an actual plane would be too obvious, even though we'll be doing just that in New York.

    BUSH: Oh, OK.

    RUMSFELD: The other good thing about saying that it was a passenger jet is that that way, we have to invent a few hundred fictional victims and account for a nonexistent missing crew and plane. It's always better when you leave more cover story to invent, more legwork to do and more possible holes to investigate. Doubt, legwork and possible exposure -- you can't pull off any good conspiracy without them.

    BUSH: You guys are brilliant! Because if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason. How could we ever get the media, the corporate world and our military to endorse an invasion of a secular Iraqi state unless we faked an attack against New York at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals? Why, they'd never buy it. Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?

    CHENEY: Like pulling teeth!

    RUMSFELD: Well, I'm sold on the idea. Let's call the Joint Chiefs, the FAA, the New York and Washington, D.C., fire departments, Rudy Giuliani, all three networks, the families of a thousand fictional airline victims, MI5, the FBI, FEMA, the NYPD, Larry Eagleburger, Osama bin Laden, Noam Chomsky and the fifty thousand other people we'll need to pull this off. There isn't a moment to lose!

    BUSH: Don't forget to call all of those Wall Street hotshots who donated $100 million to our last campaign. They'll be thrilled to know that we'll be targeting them for execution as part of our thousand-tentacled modern-day bonehead Reichstag scheme! After all, if we're going to make martyrs -- why not make them out of our campaign paymasters? Shit, didn't the Merrill Lynch guys say they needed a refurbishing in their New York offices?

    RUMSFELD: Oh, they'll get a refurbishing, all right. Just in time for the "Big Wedding"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia.com
    Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States from the rejection of social liberalism and the New Left counterculture of the 1960s. It influenced the presidential administrations of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, representing a realignment in American politics, and the defection of some liberals to the right side of the political spectrum; hence the term, which refers to being 'new' conservatives. Neoconservatism emphasizes foreign policy as the paramount responsibility of government, maintaining that America's role as the world's sole superpower is indispensable to establishing and maintaining global order.
    That last sentence is the scary one, and is exactly why we are in Iraq. Iran may be next.


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    Iran won't be next. Russia already stated they'll provide Iran with military equipment or possibly manpower if US gets anywhere close to Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterlessIceness View Post
    Iran won't be next. Russia already stated they'll provide Iran with military equipment or possibly manpower if US gets anywhere close to Iran.
    Good. Hopefully that will keep Cowboy Bush in check and away from his pistol trigger... but with that whacko, don't bet on it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterlessIceness View Post
    Iran won't be next. Russia already stated they'll provide Iran with military equipment or possibly manpower if US gets anywhere close to Iran.
    Yeah, well good luck with all that.

    Russia can't get Chechnya under control, and that's with a 1 to 1 ratio of soldiers to population so big whup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
    Yeah, well good luck with all that.

    Russia can't get Chechnya under control, and that's with a 1 to 1 ratio of soldiers to population so big whup.
    Exactly. Provide soldiers? Nope. Provide equipment, possibly. With that said, China supplying equipment in Vietnam really hurt the U.S... From an economic standpoint, Russia couldn't sustain providing both. One of the theories (and a pretty good one) behind the Cold War ending was that the USSR couldn't sustain balancing the war in Afghanistan with their economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by edwardv View Post
    If I could ask Bush one question it would be. What would the response of the USA be to a dirty bomb attack or suitcase nuke be? Funny its never been asked that I know of,for that case ask it to the candidates.
    It's a valid question. How would we know where it came from though? The list of countries that could supply that kind of technology (for the nuke at least) is short obviously, but when it comes to nukes you gotta be damn sure. Bush is scary though. He did one hell of a job convincing (some) people that Iraq was behind 9/11, and look what happened. I hate to see what he'd do in the case of a dirty bomb or suit-case nuke. Bush keeps saying that "history will judge" the war in Iraq, and with that he (hopefully) will make people think twice about being so cavalier in regards to attacking/invading a country. I think it's safe to say the Neo-Con philosophical theory needs some work

 

 

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