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    A while ago there was a thread that talked about painting guitars. I'm in the priming stage of a solid color guitar and someone suggested using these items to make the finish look great. I found the Maguiar's, but couldn't fine the exact 3m products. If I get it all clear coated, then wait for a month or so to sand/compound it out with 400-2000 grit and the products here, is the 3m stuff just a thicker version of the Maguiar's stuff? Can you use the Maguiar's as the only compound step or does the 3m stuff do something the Maguiar's doesn't? Also, does anyone know of any other 3m stuff that does the same job as the ones listed below?

    Here is a piece of the painting advice:
    Then you can compound with 3M Perfect-it II. Part 305973
    Then compound with Perfect-it II Final Cut. Part # 051131
    Finally, polish it off with some Maguiar's Scratch X. This will give it that wet, mirror look.
    Do each one like your waxin a car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by handyman View Post
    Here is a piece of the painting advice:
    Then you can compound with 3M Perfect-it II. Part 305973
    Then compound with Perfect-it II Final Cut. Part # 051131
    Finally, polish it off with some Maguiar's Scratch X. This will give it that wet, mirror look.
    Do each one like your waxin a car.
    Sounds good to me.

    I'm not sure what type of paint you're using, but I wouldn't recommend using 400 grit on clearcoat.

    I use acrylic urethane (car paint) and I don't like to use anything courser than 1000 grit ... and that's only if I need to.

    You can get away with using courser grits when using something soft, like Krylon, but it requires using ALOT of clearcoat as not to sand through the finish and various grits in succession to get good results, and even then ... the paint will be soft and extremely suseptable to damage and impressions on anything it comes into contact with. Dispite the PYOG books and all the hype, that stuff just isn't meant to be used for painting guitars.

    I understand the low-cost makes it very tempting for alot of people, but I don't recomend using spraycans at all.
    You will get exactly what you pay for.
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    As mentioned, do not use OTC rattle cans. Find yourself a good automotive paint and supply store and talk to them. You will find that most of them will be more than willing to help you find the products you need to end up with a final product that will last for years. Some of these stores will even custom mix primers, colors and clears with the appropriate additives for each and put into their own rattle cans. Remember however, that you will need to use the contents within a certain timeframe, particularly clears. Acrylic urethanes typically deliver the best luster and 'depth' of the available products. Some colors will require a specific primer base color in order for the final color to turn out correctly.

    If you are unfamiliar with terms such as flash time, cure time, etc. you may be better off doing the initial prep work and letting a good paint and body shop do the final work. Yes, more money, but you will get what you want in the end. These people know their stuff and if you find the right person, they may even be willing to work with you on price.
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    I'm using a spray can, not going pro yet with a spray gun. To clarify my question a bit, if I use paint out of a can, laquer out of a can...when I sand it out should I do the following:

    400-2000 grit with soap
    then the two 3m products
    then the Maguier's stuff

    or

    can I do some light sanding with 800-1000 grit and buff it out with Maguier's and get pretty close to the same finish?

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    SPRAYPAINT BEFORE:



    SPRAYPAINT AFTER:






    Any questions?

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    wow, what a great crackel finish...just kidding...that sucks, how long did it take before it got like that?

    why does the car paint not do this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by handyman View Post
    wow, what a great crackel finish...just kidding...that sucks, how long did it take before it got like that?

    why does the car paint not do this?
    The PYOG books say to wait approx. 3 months for the paint to cure before wetsanding and buffing (which is ridiculous).
    I waited 8 months and still, the paint was soft and suseptable to impressions being left in the paint by everything it came into contact with.
    It was so soft, the pickguard began to sink into the finish.
    2-3 months later it started cracking and just got worse and worse.

    Spraypaint work well for EvH "relic" paintjobs (no clearcoat).
    But if you're looking for a nice clean, shiney, durable finish, you're not going to get it by using spraypaint.

    Trust me and save yourself alot of time and frustration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by handyman View Post
    why does the car paint not do this?
    The acrylic urethane I use is 2-part ... it requires an activator which acts as a catylist.

    It only takes a couple hours to fully cure as opposed to 1 year with the acrylic lacquer spraypaint.

    The acryilic urethane looks way more professional, is much more durable and will last a lifetime.

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    The reason rattle can laquers do not work well is because they, by law, cannot have the same properties that made the products you bought 15 years ago. Heck, it is nearly impossible to find professional laquer materials for painting cars these days with all the EPA limitations.

    BTW, laquers from the beginning times has always been known for checking and cracking over time.
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    so is it the laquer or the paint that causes problems?

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    Its the quality, or lack thereof, in the laquers that cause the problems, particularly in clears. In solid laquer colors, you have more ingredients and binding agents that help prevent the checking/cracking that you cannot have in a clear formula.

    If you are insistant on using a clear laquer, I would suggest using a model grade (Model Master) gloss clear available in hobby stores. Use very thin dusting coats and allow a full day of flash time between coats. I have used these paints on model cars for years, and as long as you take it easy and use very thin coats, they tend to be very durable. Be very careful not to spary in full sunlight or overly warm conditions or you will likely experience thinner pop (small bubbles in the clear), the same can happen if you lay on coats too quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHalenRules View Post
    If you are insistant on using a clear laquer, I would suggest using a model grade (Model Master) gloss clear available in hobby stores. Use very thin dusting coats and allow a full day of flash time between coats. I have used these paints on model cars for years, and as long as you take it easy and use very thin coats, they tend to be very durable. Be very careful not to spary in full sunlight or overly warm conditions or you will likely experience thinner pop (small bubbles in the clear), the same can happen if you lay on coats too quickly.
    Model Master?
    That stuff is an enamel and in no way durable enough to use on guitars.
    Not to mention the compatability issues you may have in mixing it with lacquers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino5150 View Post
    Model Master?
    That stuff is an enamel and in no way durable enough to use on guitars.
    Not to mention the compatability issues you may have in mixing it with lacquers.
    The two cans I used on my last project said laquer. There is a complete line of Model Master products, and about 4 or 5 different clears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHalenRules View Post
    The two cans I used on my last project said laquer. There is a complete line of Model Master products, and about 4 or 5 different clears.

    http://www.tudayshobbymodels.com/pro...?pid=188124640

    No offense, but I still wouldn't use it ...
    It's made for plastic models which serve no other purpose but to be displayed.
    Guitar finishes hold a much higher standard for durability.

    If you were successful in achieving a factory finish by combining two different brands (and possibly types) of lacquers .... and only (2) 3oz. cans, consider yourself VERY lucky.

    I may be wrong, but I've painted alot of guitars and I just don't see it happening.

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    Wow I'm disappointed that the spray cans don't work for the clear coat (and base coats also???). I must admit I bought into the hype about the PYOG, and was going to start a project very soon.

    So, is it safe to say that you could follow all of the directions in the PYOG books EXCEPT for the clear coat? Or is it not recommended to use spray cans for the base coats/stripes either?

    Dino, your paint jobs were an inspiration for me to start my own project! Just curious, I saw photos of your paint jobs on the PYOG site, what does the PYOG guy say about the clear coat on your B & W Frankie?

 

 

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