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    Ice Age Cometh?

    Al Gore, paging Al Gore....Mr. Gore?

    Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh

    Phil Chapman | April 23, 2008

    The scariest photo I have seen on the internet is www.spaceweather.com, where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium point between solar and terrestrial gravity.

    What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot.

    Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.

    All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over.

    There is also plenty of anecdotal evidence that 2007 was exceptionally cold. It snowed in Baghdad for the first time in centuries, the winter in China was simply terrible and the extent of Antarctic sea ice in the austral winter was the greatest on record since James Cook discovered the place in 1770.

    It is generally not possible to draw conclusions about climatic trends from events in a single year, so I would normally dismiss this cold snap as transient, pending what happens in the next few years.

    This is where SOHO comes in. The sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat variable length, averaging 11 years. The most recent minimum was in March last year. The new cycle, No.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers.

    It didn't happen. The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon.

    The reason this matters is that there is a close correlation between variations in the sunspot cycle and Earth's climate. The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790.

    Northern winters became ferocious: in particular, the rout of Napoleon's Grand Army during the retreat from Moscow in 1812 was at least partly due to the lack of sunspots.

    That the rapid temperature decline in 2007 coincided with the failure of cycle No.24 to begin on schedule is not proof of a causal connection but it is cause for concern.

    It is time to put aside the global warming dogma, at least to begin contingency planning about what to do if we are moving into another little ice age, similar to the one that lasted from 1100 to 1850.

    There is no doubt that the next little ice age would be much worse than the previous one and much more harmful than anything warming may do. There are many more people now and we have become dependent on a few temperate agricultural areas, especially in the US and Canada. Global warming would increase agricultural output, but global cooling will decrease it.

    Millions will starve if we do nothing to prepare for it (such as planning changes in agriculture to compensate), and millions more will die from cold-related diseases.
    There is also another possibility, remote but much more serious. The Greenland and Antarctic ice cores and other evidence show that for the past several million years, severe glaciation has almost always afflicted our planet.

    The bleak truth is that, under normal conditions, most of North America and Europe are buried under about 1.5km of ice. This bitterly frigid climate is interrupted occasionally by brief warm interglacials, typically lasting less than 10,000 years.

    The interglacial we have enjoyed throughout recorded human history, called the Holocene, began 11,000 years ago, so the ice is overdue. We also know that glaciation can occur quickly: the required decline in global temperature is about 12C and it can happen in 20 years.

    The next descent into an ice age is inevitable but may not happen for another 1000 years. On the other hand, it must be noted that the cooling in 2007 was even faster than in typical glacial transitions. If it continued for 20 years, the temperature would be 14C cooler in 2027.

    By then, most of the advanced nations would have ceased to exist, vanishing under the ice, and the rest of the world would be faced with a catastrophe beyond imagining.

    Australia may escape total annihilation but would surely be overrun by millions of refugees. Once the glaciation starts, it will last 1000 centuries, an incomprehensible stretch of time.

    If the ice age is coming, there is a small chance that we could prevent or at least delay the transition, if we are prepared to take action soon enough and on a large enough scale.

    For example: We could gather all the bulldozers in the world and use them to dirty the snow in Canada and Siberia in the hope of reducing the reflectance so as to absorb more warmth from the sun.

    We also may be able to release enormous floods of methane (a potent greenhouse gas) from the hydrates under the Arctic permafrost and on the continental shelves, perhaps using nuclear weapons to destabilise the deposits.

    We cannot really know, but my guess is that the odds are at least 50-50 that we will see significant cooling rather than warming in coming decades.

    The probability that we are witnessing the onset of a real ice age is much less, perhaps one in 500, but not totally negligible.

    All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead.

    It will be difficult for people to face the truth when their reputations, careers, government grants or hopes for social change depend on global warming, but the fate of civilisation may be at stake.

    In the famous words of Oliver Cromwell, "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken."

    Phil Chapman is a geophysicist and astronautical engineer who lives in San Francisco. He was the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut.

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    I read a little about this the other day.

    I'm curious to see what the Al Gores' of the enviromental cause are going to come up with in response to it.

    The part I read that is absent from this clip is that when it was mentioned the he is 1 out of 1000's of people speaking on global climate that is stating this...he said (paraphrasing) 'the research is there, I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.'



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    Just relax, there's a real good chance that nature will decide no matter what we as humans do to try and alter it.

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    Shit all big Al has to do is throw it in reverse and have another concert for the coming little ice age. He then wins another Noble Prize and moves his investments from energy saving lightbulbs to electric blankets.

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    you mean "energy saving electric blankets", right?

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    Climate Change? Let's go to the geologic evidence:



    Okay, you are looking at about millions years of eastern Pacific/North American history. Do you see the lighter colored rock, those represtent a longer period of time than the darker layers. Notice those darker layers, they are full of smaller rocks and this layer of rock is called a Conglomerate. Those smaller rocks are Ignious-Volcanic rocks and the closest volcanoe is about 90 miles to the south (Pinnacless National Monument - half of a volcanoe). So those rocks were moved by SERIOUS flood waters, we think it came from melting glaciers from the last ice age. Think about the force it takes to move a bunch of large rocks with water. Notice that there are TWO dark bands of Conglomerates. That means that there were two eras where water flowed violently out from the central valley. Two ice-ages? Probably.

    Example #2:



    This is a younger geological setting than the first picture. You don't see the huge dark bands of Conglomerates do you? You're looking at a stretch of stable weather. However, you can see the darker layers in the strata? Those darker layers indicate serious weather, Biblical stuff and mankind doesn't show up until the top 3/4 inch of this layer of rock.

    So one can draw a couple of conclusions:

    1. The climate can and will change.

    2. We can't stop it.

    Does this mean that we shouldn't be better stewards of our planet? F*ck no. If you can save energy and be environmentally friendly in how you live your life you should. Not because you'll save the planet but because you save money which you can spend on beer and porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
    So one can draw a couple of conclusions:

    1. The climate can and will change.

    2. We can't stop it.
    That's about it. I'm not so sure I agree with the rest of what you said. We lack the information to actually quantify our impact on the environment. Nobody can definitively say what is causing the changes. Nobody can say what our contribution might be.

    That's certainly not an excuse to be stupid, however. Anyone who denies that climate change occurs is an idiot. There are plenty of stupid fuckers who have politicized what is a non-political issue, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeL View Post
    That's about it. I'm not so sure I agree with the rest of what you said. We lack the information to actually quantify our impact on the environment. Nobody can definitively say what is causing the changes. Nobody can say what our contribution might be.

    That's certainly not an excuse to be stupid, however. Anyone who denies that climate change occurs is an idiot. There are plenty of stupid fuckers who have politicized what is a non-political issue, too.
    The focus of the discussion on the environment is what the hell everyone is going to do when the caca hits the fan. What are the plans to keep everyone fed? What about the relocation of millions of people from rising oceans/rivers/lakes or from encroaching glaciers and expanding snowfields?
    How are we going to produce enough drinking water and water for crops?

    The destruction of the Amazon and CO2 caused by more people worldwide driving is a negative on the overall functioning of the planet. The Amazon issue is my personal environmental focal point.

    My problem with Al Gore and his ilk is that they are taking advantage of an issue that most people don't know anything about and they are trying to attach social reforms and penalties to "Punish" poluters for something that cannot be stopped. It's the boy who cried wolf and the problem is that when the climate begins to shift nobody will listen until it's too late. Worse, there's a multi-billion dollar industry that's grown up around the 'Green" technologies and they have as much influence as the big oil companies and they are equally as evil.
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    I don't have a problem with people who are out to create awareness. That's what I think Gore has tried to do. Many people would prefer to pretend that the problem will just go away, or that someone (government) will magically fix it when the time comes. That's not how it works.

    I do have a problem with those that try to demonize Gore because they don't personally agree with his politics. Dislike the man, that's fine. Act as though the issue isn't there, that's stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeL View Post
    I don't have a problem with people who are out to create awareness. That's what I think Gore has tried to do. Many people would prefer to pretend that the problem will just go away, or that someone (government) will magically fix it when the time comes. That's not how it works.

    I do have a problem with those that try to demonize Gore because they don't personally agree with his politics. Dislike the man, that's fine. Act as though the issue isn't there, that's stupid.
    Gore has manipulated the issue and he has been dishonest. This is the overwhelming reason that people dislike Gore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pal1800 View Post
    Gore has manipulated the issue and he has been dishonest. This is the overwhelming reason that people dislike Gore.
    And why would he be dishonest? Hmm....

    Gore Admits Financial 'Stake' In Advancing Global Warming Hysteria

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...rming-hysteria

    By Noel Sheppard

    April 11, 2008

    For years, NewsBusters has reported on Al Gore's financial interests in advancing global warming hysteria around the world.

    On March 1, while speaking at the TED Conference in Monterey, California, the Nobel Laureate admitted to having "a stake" in a number of green "investments" that he recommended attendees put money in rather than "sub-prime carbon assets" like "tar sands" and "shale oil."

    This occurred as pictures of such products appeared on the screen with names of the companies involved (video available here, relevant section begins at minute 15:00, h/t NBer Sick-and-Tired):

    "There are a lot of great investments you can make. If you are investing in tar sands, or shale oil, then you have a portfolio that is crammed with sub-prime carbon assets. And it is based on an old model. Junkies find veins in their toes when the ones in their arms and their legs collapse. Developing tar sands and coal shale is the equivalent. Here are just a few of the investments I personally think make sense. I have a stake in these so I’ll have a disclaimer there. But geo-thermal concentrating solar, advanced photovoltaics, efficiency, and conservation."

    As Gore spoke these words, pictures of electric cars, windmills and solar panels appeared in multiple slides on the screen with company names at the bottom such as Amyris (biofuels), Altra (biofuels), Bloom Energy (solid oxide fuel cells), Mascoma (cellulosic biofuels), GreatPoint Energy (catalytic gasification), Miasole (solar cells), Ausra (utility scale solar panels), GEM (battery operated cars), Smart (electric cars), and AltaRock Energy (geothermal power).

    As such, like an investment advisor or stock broker giving a seminar to prospects and clients, Al Gore was actively recommending people put money in companies he already has a financial stake in.

    And, as he tours the world demanding nations stop burning fossil fuels, he will financially benefit if they follow his advice and move to technologies that he has already invested in.

    I'm sure the sycophantic climate alarmists in the media will be all over this in the days to come...not!

    *****Update: Readers should be reminded of an exchange last week between NewsBuster Matthew Vadum and a Gore representative.

    If you recall, on April 1, Vadum wrote about how the media are ignoring Gore's global warming profiteering. The following day, Richard Campbell, a spokesman for Gore's Generation Investment Management fund, had an e-mail exchange with Ian Wilhelm from the Chronicle of Philanthropy:

    However, Richard Campbell, a spokesman for Generation Investment Management, called the suggestions a “nonsense story.”

    In an e-mail message to The Chronicle, he writes that neither Mr. Gore nor any other members of the investment company’s board will make money from the expansion of carbon trading.

    “To suggest then that they are somehow benefiting from the growth of this industry betrays a complete lack of knowledge of the carbon offset industry,” he writes.

    Now that Gore has admitted having investments in companies that will benefit from global warming hysteria, I wonder if Campbell's opinion might change. Stay tuned.

    Al Gore is shameless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pal1800 View Post
    Gore has manipulated the issue and he has been dishonest. This is the overwhelming reason that people dislike Gore.
    Did you read what I wrote? Dislike the man. Don't discount the problem.

    Why is that difficult for some of you?

 

 

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