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    Disagree as you may, but the band's refusal to even switch one song on the set list over an eight month period suggests to me that they hardly spend any time together off stage, they're doing it all for the money, and that there is no chance that they will work together after June 2, 2008. This being said, I'll take the same set list over and over as opposed to not seeing them at all.

    Would be so nice if we could hear...Where Have all the Good Times Gone or Feel Your Love Tonight, or Bottoms Up...is it too much to ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chazari View Post
    Disagree as you may, but the band's refusal to even switch one song on the set list over an eight month period suggests to me that they hardly spend any time together off stage, they're doing it all for the money, and that there is no chance that they will work together after June 2, 2008. This being said, I'll take the same set list over and over as opposed to not seeing them at all.

    Would be so nice if we could hear...Where Have all the Good Times Gone or Feel Your Love Tonight, or Bottoms Up...is it too much to ask?
    There's enough posts in whatever thread along this line......but they have a set list that they feel works. Like some folks have alluded to even with the tunes they are playing during the lesser known ones the casual fan gets distracted.

    We are a minority on here - the band has to play the tunes that Joe Public wants, rather than the hidden 10th track from Diver Down.......otherwise each gig would be severely lacking in atmosphere.....

    If we had a new album it would be different - but we ain't so it's not!
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    It could mean that, but Van Halen has never changed up their set lists very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chazari View Post
    Would be so nice if we could hear...Where Have all the Good Times Gone or Feel Your Love Tonight, or Bottoms Up...is it too much to ask?
    It's up to them what they play, but I agree. I LOVE those songs!!

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    You really need to put this into a proper perspective here. In the 70's, 80's and deep into the 90's, there was no way of knowing a band's tour itinerary, let alone what the set list was because "up to the minute" information simply did not exist, nor was PR much of a consideration. Today, within a few hour's lag time required by youtube, one can actually witness bits and pieces of the previous evening's show with some fairly astonishing sound and video quality.

    Even before the final notes of the first tune played on this tour during opening night had died out, people were on the internet typing out the song's name. The set list appeared over the course of a couple hours in real time, and was available to thousands if not millions of people in an instant. A few years ago this was unheard of, as you'd need to wait until the next day (maybe if a review even mentioning a list of tunes appeared in the local paper) or the next week, if some magazine happened to even mention the show or tour at all.

    Like coyote pointed out, this band has never really changed things up before, and at this late date it's sort of unimaginable that they'd begin to do so. Should the band take the new "information age" into account? Well, they would have to acknowledge that it even exists in the first place to do such a thing. And it isn't a knock on them for not doing so. It's merely the way they choose to do things at this point.

    In fact, this is one instance in which being a "casual fan" can actually be an advantage. Of course to the die-hards that obsess over every last detail of the band and have followed every bit of information available regarding the tour (as well as the private lives of the band's members), it's somewhat disappointing. Yet again, it's how they choose to work. And with the relatively unstable nature of this band, even getting a tour should be satisfaction enough from the fan base, yet in this day of instant gratification, it would appear that even that is not enough for some people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    You really need to put this into a proper perspective here. In the 70's, 80's and deep into the 90's, there was no way of knowing a band's tour itinerary, let alone what the set list was because "up to the minute" information simply did not exist, nor was PR much of a consideration. Today, within a few hour's lag time required by youtube, one can actually witness bits and pieces of the previous evening's show with some fairly astonishing sound and video quality.

    Even before the final notes of the first tune played on this tour during opening night had died out, people were on the internet typing out the song's name. The set list appeared over the course of a couple hours in real time, and was available to thousands if not millions of people in an instant. A few years ago this was unheard of, as you'd need to wait until the next day (maybe if a review even mentioning a list of tunes appeared in the local paper) or the next week, if some magazine happened to even mentioned the show or tour at all.

    Like coyote pointed out, this band has never really changed things up before, and at this late date it's sort of unimaginable that they'd begin to do so. Should the band take the new "information age" into account? Well, they would have to acknowledge that it even exists in the first place to do such a thing. And it isn't a knock on them for not doing so. It's merely the way they choose to do things at this point.

    In fact, this is one instance in which being a "casual fan" can actually be an advantage. Of course to the die-hards that obsess over every last detail of the band and have followed every bit of information available regarding the tour (as well as the private lives of the band's members), it's somewhat disappointing. Yet again, it's how they choose to work. And with the relatively unstable nature of this band, even getting a tour should be satisfaction enough from the fan base, yet in this day of instant gratification, it would appear that even that is not enough for some people.
    Exactly right Chef, exactly right.......in 84, how would any one know or care what the set was prior to actually attending.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    You really need to put this into a proper perspective here. In the 70's, 80's and deep into the 90's, there was no way of knowing a band's tour itinerary, let alone what the set list was because "up to the minute" information simply did not exist, nor was PR much of a consideration. Today, within a few hour's lag time required by youtube, one can actually witness bits and pieces of the previous evening's show with some fairly astonishing sound and video quality.

    Even before the final notes of the first tune played on this tour during opening night had died out, people were on the internet typing out the song's name. The set list appeared over the course of a couple hours in real time, and was available to thousands if not millions of people in an instant. A few years ago this was unheard of, as you'd need to wait until the next day (maybe if a review even mentioning a list of tunes appeared in the local paper) or the next week, if some magazine happened to even mentioned the show or tour at all.

    Like coyote pointed out, this band has never really changed things up before, and at this late date it's sort of unimaginable that they'd begin to do so. Should the band take the new "information age" into account? Well, they would have to acknowledge that it even exists in the first place to do such a thing. And it isn't a knock on them for not doing so. It's merely the way they choose to do things at this point.

    In fact, this is one instance in which being a "casual fan" can actually be an advantage. Of course to the die-hards that obsess over every last detail of the band and have followed every bit of information available regarding the tour (as well as the private lives of the band's members), it's somewhat disappointing. Yet again, it's how they choose to work. And with the relatively unstable nature of this band, even getting a tour should be satisfaction enough from the fan base, yet in this day of instant gratification, it would appear that even that is not enough for some people.
    Perfectly said Chef.

    In reality, what is the percentage of people that see more than one show on a given tour? What percentage knows the set list going in?

    I bet 95% of the people have no idea each set list is the same and probably wouldn't care anyway.

    It would be nice for them to throw us a bone, but I wouldn't read too much into them not changing things up.

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    As far as the setlist goes, the majority of people going to these shows are casual fans and are only going to see these show once, unlike alot of us die hards who have seen them more than a few times on this tour. These are their biggest songs, these are the songs the casual fans know. These are the hits. As much as everyone wants to hear them do something different, i can totally understand why they're not.

    As far as doing it for the money, who cares? Kiss did it for the money too, and fans got what they wanted, and the band got what they wanted ($$$) and everyone went home happy.

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    I think it all has to do with Wolfie's in-experience and the need to make it routine. Who knows, it could also have something to do with Dave and his schtick as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddymon View Post
    I think it all has to do with Wolfie's in-experience and the need to make it routine. Who knows, it could also have something to do with Dave and his schtick as well.
    That actually makes alot of sense to me!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by coyote View Post
    It could mean that, but Van Halen has never changed up their set lists very much.

    1984 tour, the only time the setlist changed was the first two shows, and that was only changing the first two songs.
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    In 1991, Alex said that it was time to play the old stuff since Ed wrote it all. Same 5 Dave-era songs on that tour and almost everything from FUCK. Nothing changes.
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    Thatís why I loved the Balance Tour!!! Every night it was different Setlist.
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    I'd love to hear Drop Dead Legs, Bottoms Up, D.O.A., Hear About It Later, The Full Bug, just to name a few. However, I do try to keep things in perspective. I never thought I'd get a chance to see David Lee Roth with Van Halen, much less sounding good. When I saw them in Indianapolis last year, it was a dream come true. Ever since 2004, each time I see them, in the back of my mind I think that this may be the last time.

    To quote the song Right Now, "the more things you get, the more you want...just trade in one for the other". We got a reunion and now we want more songs. Even though I've seen them on this tour, when I go to the show tomorrow in Cincinnati, it won't matter that I know the setlist. Be happy with what you have and you'll never be disappointed.

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    there are at least 4 songs on this tour that they could switch out every night with a couple of other ones and NOBDOY would leave the arena crying.
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