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    Default 80's Hair Metal, Double Bass Drums and the Death of 80's Hair Metal

    Does anyone else think that a contributing factor in the death of 80's hair metal was the insurgence of the double bass drum into songs?

    Listening to bands like Accept, Preist and some of the other bands that threw in the DBass makes me think board line speed metal...then the demise of my favorite music...
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    Nah, I believe that it was due more to the dearth of quality songwriting, along with the "cookie-cutter" nature of the different bands' appearance that killed it most of all. That and a heaping ton of over-exposure via video outlets like MTV.

    Yet you do raise a valid point: After a while, it became more about instrumental prowess than actual song-craft. The double-bass drum was used for one effect in theory, to play fast. It was also an excuse to clutter the stage with bigger and more outrageously impractical drum sets, parts of which would never even be touched by the drummer in question during a performance.

    The drummer in one of the bands I played with (who was also a childhood friend), owned one of these monstrosities. I begged him to get rid of it and go with a reduced size, minimalist kit. I was sick of moving the shit, to be honest. Yet he maintained that it was completely necessary until the fateful day that I pointed out to him the size of the kit John Bonham had used frequently. That very day he went back to a single bass drum, one tom and one floor tom, a ride and crash cymbal each and a high-hat.

    The upside was there was more room on the cramped, postage stamp-sized stages we were playing then (not to mention in the cars and trucks we carried our equipment in) and everyone (usually me, in actuality) wasn't as worn out from dragging all of the shit in and out of the crummy places we'd play.

    Some genius invented a double bass drum pedal for a single bass drum several years ago. In effect, it has two pedals attached to two beaters hitting the same drum, so those that still desire the effect (and were clueless as to getting a pair of bass drums to sound alike) can do so, minus the extra gear.

    Personally, I always thought the damned things were designed for pointless boogies used to show off. Then again, maybe I just hated lifting the god damned things in the first place.
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    the death of hairmetal is no different than the death of any other Rock/musical genre....eventually it got watered down....you had the bands like Motley, Ratt, skid row, wasp, dokken, guns n roses etc. that were better musicians and abit more "harder"

    then you had the bands like Poison, warrant, trixter flood the scene and just made it abit of a joke sadly.....

    no different with any other genre where eventually you get "copy cat" bands that just oversaturate the market..

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunsnmotley View Post
    the death of hairmetal is no different than the death of any other Rock/musical genre....eventually it got watered down....you had the bands like Motley, Ratt, skid row, wasp, dokken, guns n roses etc. that were better musicians and abit more "harder"

    then you had the bands like Poison, warrant, trixter flood the scene and just made it abit of a joke sadly.....

    no different with any other genre where eventually you get "copy cat" bands that just oversaturate the market..


    Yup.

    Hair metal died because it had run it's course and those late 80's hair bands weren't half the bands their predecessors were. Add to that a whole new sound and look crashing the scene with the likes of Nirvana and Peal Jam and hair bands didn't stand a chance. It had nothing to do with double bass drums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunsnmotley View Post
    the death of hairmetal is no different than the death of any other Rock/musical genre....eventually it got watered down....you had the bands like Motley, Ratt, skid row, wasp, dokken, guns n roses etc. that were better musicians and abit more "harder"

    then you had the bands like Poison, warrant, trixter flood the scene and just made it abit of a joke sadly.....

    no different with any other genre where eventually you get "copy cat" bands that just oversaturate the market..

    Exactly

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    well it also didn't help the entire scene was a bunch of skinny ugly white dudes wearing skin tight jeans, fringe jackets that grew their hair like chicks and in most cases even wore makeup.

    basically transvestites in drag.

    not exactly chick magnet material.

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    Male pattern baldness plus Nirvana and Pearl Jam. But hell my dad listened to Sinatra til he passed just as I will listen to VanHalen.Generations tend to stay in their musical genre for life.

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    To the previous points, too much of copy cats with more emphasis on the package instead of the goods was its undoing. But by package, I don't only mean the image but also the production techniques in recording. It seemed that everyone was looking for that "Tommy Lee" cannon blast drum sound which got pretty old as well.

    Drum techniques did evolve though. In addition to the double bass and the more Metal approach, there was a point in the early 90's where Nirvana's (Dave Grohl's) snare approach was detectable on more than a few songs on the airwaves.

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    Well if you ask me, Grunge killed hair metal. Hair metal is actually a derogatory term created by the music industry to insult 80s metal when the grunge scene happened.

    In my opinion, since the dawn of Rock and Roll, the music was mostly fun. It was something to bring you up when you were down and give everyone a good fuck you.

    When Grunge came out, it was a bunch of skinny filthy assholes dressed like lumberjacks who stared at thier shoes on stage who wrote god awful depressing songs with no solos. SOLOS! thats what defined the 80s sound. There were so many supurb guitarists! EDWARD! GEORGE LYNCH! REB BEACH. PAUL GILBERT. WARREN DEMARTINI! The list goes on. Anyway The only band I listen to from that whole movement is Alice In Chains (who were formally Alice N Chainz in the 80s) who are more metal than grunge. But yeah, everything else, especially Nirvana were depressing.

    Grunge influenced this spew of crap we call rock music these days. Alternative, Emo, etc. Its all depressing whiney crap with no musical talent involved. Its all strumming. THANKS CURT KOBAIN!

    And to the double bass issue. I dont think it was much of a problem in the 80s more than it is now. DRAGONFORCE. Every song is 6 minutes of blaring double bass drums. THE WHOLE SONG! The most obnocious thing on the planet.

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    You have some great points Growl...good to hear that from someone your age maybe there is hope . I agree with your assessment of grunge and what its now turned into 100%!
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    Like anything, if the market gets to saturated, people get tired of it. Then, somebody comes along and does something different. Then, that becomes popular while the other just goes away.
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