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    Default Lawmakers look at restricting time for idling autos

    Yet another critical government issue at hand...

    Lawmakers look at restricting time for idling autos
    HARTFORD, Conn -- Some state lawmakers are gearing up to pass an anti-idling law.


    With certain exceptions, the proposed state ban would prohibit cars and trucks from idling for more than three consecutive minutes. Police could ticket errant idlers for $90.

    The ban picked up its third committee approval Tuesday, and the overwhelming committee votes suggest it could be headed for passage.

    Environmental groups and lawmakers backing the legislation say exhaust from cars and trucks harms the environment and people's health.

    But some think the idea is absurd.

    Rep. Kevin M. DelGobbo, R-Naugatuck, voted against the idling ban in the Public Safety and Security Committee on Tuesday.

    "Talk about the ridiculous things that the General Assembly is deciding it needs to legislate," DelGobbo said. "The idea that we have gotten down to the level of legislating how long you can idle your car in the morning I think is another example of it going too far."

    Rep. Selim G. Noujaim, R-74th District, voted against the legislation in the Transportation Committee a month ago.

    Noujaim said the proposed law appears unenforceable because the legislation proposes so many exceptions.

    There are exceptions for traffic delays, engine trouble and maintenance, running defrosters, heaters or air conditioners, waiting in line at drive-in establishments, and motor vehicle inspections.

    "How are you going to be able to enforce it?" Noujaim asked.

    The proposed anti-idling law doesn't cover police cars, fire apparatus, ambulances and farm equipment.
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    Its no wonder Connecticut is the highest taxed state in the USA. Dumb asses.

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    Electricity rates in Connecticut has risen to a new high in, 2007 to become the highest electricity rates in continental USA...

    Our "temporary" personal income tax plan is going 17 years strong now...

    Plus the 25% of Foxwoods slot revenue to the state of Connecticut, a sum that now amounts to almost $200 million per year and Mohegan Sun paid $141.7 million in 2007...

    Currently, Connecticut has one of the highest gas taxes at 7 percent, and on July 1, the tax is expected to rise to 7.5 percent. The amount adds about 25 cents to the total cost of fuel...

    Since 2005, the tax has increased three times and is slated to increase about two times in the next five years...

    Just imagine how FUCKED Connecticut residents would be if the casinos were "paying off" the State with 350 MILLION a year...
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    Look at the exceptions and tell me under what scenario would idling you're vehicle possibly not fall under.

    That is an actual question I'm asking. Can anyone think of a situation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hagarfn View Post
    Look at the exceptions and tell me under what scenario would idling you're vehicle possibly not fall under.

    That is an actual question I'm asking. Can anyone think of a situation?
    We've had this law in my region for years now and they do a good job of enforcing it. The article above could have done a much better job of talking about what they are targeting as opposed to what they are not. The main focus in our area is on school zones where parents sit in their cars for 10 minutes waiting for their kids with exhaust fumes pouring out of their cars. Also the clowns that leave their cars running while they stand in line for 5 minutes in a convenience store etc. etc. There certainly isn't a vigilante group of Idling Police swarming the city with stop watches but they will keep an eye on specific schools etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voivod View Post
    Environmental groups and lawmakers backing the legislation say exhaust from cars and trucks harms the environment and people's health.
    So does working 8-10 hrs. a day 5 days a week with constant rising prices and peoples concern for the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by voivod View Post
    The proposed anti-idling law doesn't cover police cars, fire apparatus, ambulances and farm equipment.
    Even when they're at a Dunkin' Donuts?

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    Puffers!
    Aurora seeks to curb 'puffing' - cars left running, unattended
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    Adrian Rascon-Almada left his Dodge Neon wide open and idling in a 7-Eleven parking lot Tuesday morning as he ran inside and grabbed a cup of coffee.

    He was gone only a few minutes.

    But it was long enough for police to spot him and issue him a ticket for "puffing" - leaving a car running and unattended.

    "It takes just a split second for someone lurking outside a 7-Eleven or day- care to take off with your car and then use it to commit another crime," Aurora police Sgt. Dan Mark said.

    "Puffer" thefts have become such a problem that Aurora police conducted a citywide operation targeting them Tuesday.

    Rascon-Almada was among 60 drivers issued tickets during the four-hour operation. His fine will be between $75 and $105, and he isn't too happy about it.

    "I live in the neighborhood; I left my car running before," said Rascon-Almada, 36. "People are nice out here. They wouldn't steal my car."

    Just before Rascon-Almada received his ticket, Mark issued one to a driver at a nearby day-care center who left her Ford Taurus unlocked and running, with her purse sitting in plain view on the front seat.

    "That's just an invitation for a thief," Mark said.

    "People aren't too happy we're giving out tickets," he said. "We're doing this to try to make an impact on car theft."

    The sting was conducted from 6 a.m. to 10 a.m., when dozens of officers fanned out across the city looking for violators in their driveways and at convenience stores, day-care centers and coffee shops - all hot spots for car thieves.

    In the past two years, Aurora saw auto thefts plummet by 46 percent. But among cars that were stolen, about 200 were puffers.

    To combat the problem, Aurora enacted a puffer ordinance in December 2006. Denver has a similar ordinance, and the fine is $25.

    To help explain why the fine is higher in Aurora, police referred to an incident in February in which a stolen 2005 Dodge pickup truck was used to commit a robbery.

    The culprits, who remain at large, plowed into the back of a store on East Mississippi Avenue, tore a hole in the wall and robbed employees at gunpoint.

    "We didn't solve that crime because the truck was worthless to us, because we couldn't trace (it) to anyone involved in the robbery," Aurora police spokesman Robert Friel said.

    "Cars left running are easy prey for crooks because they know it makes it challenging for police," he said.

    The Rocky Mountain Insurance Information Association could not say how much puffing costs the state's insurance industry annually, but it said that car theft rates have dropped since the passage of the Aurora and Denver ordinances.

    "Auto theft is one of the biggest impacts on insurance rates," said Carole Walker, spokeswoman for the association. "We're seeing auto theft rates come down through effective enforcement."


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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheBeginning
    "I live in the neighborhood; I left my car running before," said Rascon-Almada, 36. "People are nice out here. They wouldn't steal my car."
    ...nor break into my unlocked house. And no waiter would ever spit in my soup, no matter how much I berated him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hagarfn View Post
    Look at the exceptions and tell me under what scenario would idling you're vehicle possibly not fall under.

    That is an actual question I'm asking. Can anyone think of a situation?
    How about sitting in a drive thru line. Being from CT I will agree that it is one hell of an expensive state to live in. On average you have to make $31.00 an hour to afford rental housing.

    Also if you are stupid enough to leave your car running while running in to the store or coffee shop than you are an idiot and your car should be taken. Why don't you just leave the windows down all the time with your wallet on the seat.
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    QUOTE=sickman;971783]How about sitting in a drive thru line.QUOTE]
    That falls under one of the exceptions.




    And jetguy5150....what if you are waiting for you're kids with the heat running cause it's winter? Or the ac running cause it's baking?
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    That's the great thing about living in California is that citizens already enforce this.

    If you leave your car running while you run inside a market or drug store someone will steal it and then the police will make fun of you.

    If you sit in your car with the engine idoling for a long while you run the risk of being car-jacked.

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    They've already implamented this in commercial vehicles, specifically Mack and Freightliner. However, if you bump the RPM's and and set your cruise control, say to a fast idle, it will hold. That works in the trucks, not sure about cars though.
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    how 'bout we restrict time for idling lawmakers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiftyoneFtfty View Post
    They've already implamented this in commercial vehicles, specifically Mack and Freightliner. However, if you bump the RPM's and and set your cruise control, say to a fast idle, it will hold. That works in the trucks, not sure about cars though.
    Yes, you're right, there is a setting for diesel engines when you're parked, you just bump up the cruise switch and it goes to a pre-set "high idle."

    Here's the ironic thing about this. Semi trucks are already under idle bans like this in a lot of Eastern states. CT, NJ, NY, MD, PA, etc. We're not allowed to idle...NO MATTER WHAT. It doesn't matter how hot or cold it gets. The State Police or locals will wake you up and make you turn off the truck. then write a ticket out for $250-$500.

    So companies developed APU's (auxilary power units) that run off diesel, via a connetor to the main fuel supply for the truck. Instead of burning a gallon of diesel an hour idling, for a standard 10 hour break, it'll use about 1 gallon over the same time span.

    Now states like NJ, NY and California, that all have an anti-truck idlikng law, who championed these units, are now trying to ammend their current idling laws to INCLUDE the APU's.

    Do the lawmakers, troopers and citizen's that bitch about our idling turn off their heat or A/C at home??? Why should I have to turn mine off in what, according to law, is my "home?"

    Do most of you people realize that diesel is a by product of gas, it burns cleaner and our engines emit LESS carbon dioxide in to the atmosphere than your cars, gas-guzzling SUV's/PickUps, etc???

    Welcome to another side of my world that you think is ridiculous to have enacted for you, but perfectly OK for me to have to abide by.
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