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    This one is going cause some serious trouble... (From the BBC website)

    Gunmen kill seven in Israel raid

    The gunmen entered a dining room and opened fire, reports say
    At least seven people have been killed by gunmen who are reported to have infiltrated and attacked a Jewish seminary in West Jerusalem.
    Israeli media said that at least 30 were injured in the attack at the Mercaz Harav seminary in the Kiryat Moshe quarter of Jerusalem.

    Reports said one attacker was killed and police were hunting another.

    It is the worst attack of its kind for a number of years. There were no attacks within Jerusalem during 2007.

    The gunmen are said to have entered the building at the rabbinical seminary, where about 80 people were gathered.

    Yaron Tzuker, a medic, said he arrived as the gunfire was still going on.

    "They were still shooting when we got here," he told Channel 10 television.

    "We took cover and the ambulance was hit. It's horrible inside - dead bodies and wounded - it's horrific."

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    The school is a well-known centre for Jewish studies and most students are aged between 18 and 30.

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    It is said to identify with the leadership of the Jewish settlement movement - who believe the West Bank should be in Jewish and not Palestinian hands.

    There were reports of celebratory gunfire in Gaza after news broke about the attack.

    Hamas officials in Gaza welcomed the attack but stopped short of admitting responsibility.

    The BBC's Crispin Thorold says this will be a particularly shocking incident for the Israeli public and Jewish people around the world - which comes at an extremely tense time.

    Israel, he says, is likely to take retaliatory action.

    Last week, Israeli forces launched a raid into northern Gaza in which more than 120 Palestinians - including many civilians - were killed.

    Israel says the measures are designed to stamp out frequent rocket fire by Palestinian militants.

    Recent rocket attacks have hit deeper into southern Israel, reaching Ashkelon, the closest large Israeli city to the Gaza Strip.
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    So...the most effective way to free yourself from oppression is to walk into a room of unarmed religious students and open fire?

    We have 15 year-olds in this country who can do that.

    They know what will hapen next and even though they'll play the victim the fact is that there up-coming ass kicking is well earned.
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    If they aren't careful over there, the situation could get ugly and they'll be fighting with each other for years.

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    thanks for posting- very important to know
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    I GOT IT! Maybe we can reason with these guys. Help heal their inner child and hell, we can all be friends!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pal1800 View Post
    I GOT IT! Maybe we can reason with these guys. Help heal their inner child and hell, we can all be friends!
    I think that will win in the end. Peace, love, and hand shakes. Works everytime dude. Out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by track 5 View Post
    I think that will win in the end. Peace, love, and hand shakes. Works everytime dude. Out.
    I know that was a lighthearted way of saying what seems must be obvious but history keeps showing us, time and time again, that ultimately that IS the only solution.

    I'm always reminded of the decades long shitstorm we had in the UK with the whole Northern ireland "troubles". There are a good many parallels to be drawn, more than there are differences, even if that on the surface this does not appear to be the case.

    I remember growing up and at various times, you fully expected to be rushed off the London underground after another bomb scare. It really did become routine. But, over a long period, the warring sides did sit down.

    Now when you hear about the IRA or UVF or any other paramilitary groups, it is a history programme. I never thought I would see it in my lifetime, the hatred was so great, but they did it.

    Whilst the situation in Gaza is 100 times worse, you only have to look back to a few years ago when there was a period of relative calm there. It was that they didn't move forward enough.

    Firing rockets into Israel is not going to help Hamas and massive airstrikes on Gaza are not going to help Israel.

    So the nice dreamy, let's all be friends route which seems so idealistic to so many, is the one route that has not been truly tested to it's potential.

    They've been beating the shit out of each other for years and that has not worked even once.

    How they can move forward of course, is something that can be debated until you are blue in the face.

    One thing is for sure: Each action by each side is always said to be a retaliation for a previous action. Gaza has been pounded to hell over recent weeks becaue one Israeli died in a rocket attack which may or not have been retaliation for the assassination of a Hamas leader in Lebanon. Istael, always always retaliates on a huge scale. Gaza is going to get it right between the eyes for this one and the cycle repeats.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by graeme View Post
    I know that was a lighthearted way of saying what seems must be obvious but history keeps showing us, time and time again, that ultimately that IS the only solution.

    I'm always reminded of the decades long shitstorm we had in the UK with the whole Northern ireland "troubles". There are a good many parallels to be drawn, more than there are differences, even if that on the surface this does not appear to be the case.

    I remember growing up and at various times, you fully expected to be rushed off the London underground after another bomb scare. It really did become routine. But, over a long period, the warring sides did sit down.

    Now when you hear about the IRA or UVF or any other paramilitary groups, it is a history programme. I never thought I would see it in my lifetime, the hatred was so great, but they did it.

    Whilst the situation in Gaza is 100 times worse, you only have to look back to a few years ago when there was a period of relative calm there. It was that they didn't move forward enough.

    Firing rockets into Israel is not going to help Hamas and massive airstrikes on Gaza are not going to help Israel.

    So the nice dreamy, let's all be friends route which seems so idealistic to so many, is the one route that has not been truly tested to it's potential.

    They've been beating the shit out of each other for years and that has not worked even once.

    How they can move forward of course, is something that can be debated until you are blue in the face.

    One thing is for sure: Each action by each side is always said to be a retaliation for a previous action. Gaza has been pounded to hell over recent weeks becaue one Israeli died in a rocket attack which may or not have been retaliation for the assassination of a Hamas leader in Lebanon. Istael, always always retaliates on a huge scale. Gaza is going to get it right between the eyes for this one and the cycle repeats.....
    I'm not an expert on the situation, and I'm not taking sides, but haven't the Palestinians basically shot down all attempts at "peace" and don't they want Israel out of the middle east, period? I think Iran has stated they want to wipe Israel off of the map, but hasn't Hamas basically stated the same thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCJanko View Post
    I'm not an expert on the situation, and I'm not taking sides, but haven't the Palestinians basically shot down all attempts at "peace" and don't they want Israel out of the middle east, period? I think Iran has stated they want to wipe Israel off of the map, but hasn't Hamas basically stated the same thing?
    It's hard to say what the Palestinians really want any more because their leadership has been taken over by extremists. Any Palestinian who wants to talk peace is threatened and/or shot. Hamas doesn't want peace and they've said so.

    So screw them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
    It's hard to say what the Palestinians really want any more because their leadership has been taken over by extremists. Any Palestinian who wants to talk peace is threatened and/or shot. Hamas doesn't want peace and they've said so.

    So screw them.
    Whilst I think that both sides are as bad as each other now, that Hamas has been taken over by extremists is a pretty fair statement to make.

    As to why this has been allowed to happen is another matter, but the same could be said for the Israeli side too.

    Right now I think that the majority of Palestinians and Israelis want this matter sorted out asap. Everyone is tired of the situation but whilst you have hardliners in power (on both sides), neither side is going to back down quickly.

    It really is taking on clusterfuck proportions with the UN reporting that conditions in Gaza are now worse than they have ever been since '67. As the situation worsens, more and more Palestinians are becoming militant and more and more Israelis are backing the military actions of their government.

    Force isn't going to work but dialogue seems a long way off too.

    You wouldn't wish this on anyone who just wants to raise a family and get on with their lives....ie. Most of the region's residents.

    What a mess.
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    Israel has a good reason to be pissed off.

    They pulled out of the West Bank unilatterally, dragging their settlers kicking and screaming and because the Palestinians were not involved they put up a wall. Israel then brings in a moderate government after the Lebanon adventure two years ago and they are repaid by Hamas with rocket attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasVic View Post
    If they aren't careful over there, the situation could get ugly and they'll be fighting with each other for years.
    As if they haven't been already.

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    There will be peace, when the Jews are in the ocean.

    I could be wrong, but I don't see a peaceful end in sight and yes, I definately side with Israel much more than the Palestinans. Thats the world we live in and it's been this way since the fucking begining. I'm all for making it better, but I'm not buying the utopia bullshit that we can all co-exist cause it hasn't happened yet. We'll see though.

 

 

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