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    Default Arizona Considers Bill Allowing College Students To Carry Concealed Weapons On Campus

    Gun Bill Draws Fire

    By JIM SECKLER/The Daily News

    SATURDAY MARCH 1, 2008 Last modified:
    Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:54 PM CST

    KINGMAN - Several state senators want a bill passed that allows college students to carry guns on campuses.

    Four Republican members of a Senate Judiciary Committee, including Sen. Ron Gould, R-Lake Havasu City, voted to pass along legislation that would allow people with a concealed weapons permit to carry a gun onto Mohave Community College, Northern Arizona University and the other community colleges and universities in the state.

    The three Democrats on the judiciary committee voted against the proposed legislation. The Senate bill, SB 1214, now goes to the Senate Rules Committee. The bill had included all schools, including elementary to high schools, but the bill was revised for colleges only.

    Arizona law allows residents to carry guns without a permit if the gun is visible. Residents must have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. One has to be 21 or older to obtain a concealed weapons gun permit and complete a firearms safety class. An applicant for a gun permit cannot be a convicted felon and must submit to the Highway Patrol an application, a certificate that they completed a firearms training class and a set of fingerprints.

    MCC Chancellor Dr. Mike Kearns said the college is strongly opposed to the bill. The bill is a reaction to the recent shooting at Northern Illinois University and the April 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech.

    “Putting more guns on a campus is not the solution,” Kearns said. “This is a recipe for a disaster.”

    An innocent bystander who is carrying a concealed weapon could escalate a situation with the potential for a shootout, he said. Even though those who get a concealed weapons permit have some training, they are not trained like qualified law enforcement officers. Most educators and law enforcement are opposed to the bill, he said.

    According to the college's security officers, most shootings are within close range - less than seven feet - of each other, and a high percentage of shots still miss the target. The further away a shooter is, the greater the chance there is to miss. That increases the chance of more innocent bystanders being hit or killed by a stray bullet, Kearns said.

    District 3 Rep. Nancy McLain, R-Bullhead City, said she is undecided on how she will vote on the bill if it reaches the state House of Representatives. She initially supported it, saying a deranged shooter should not be the only one on a campus with a weapon.

    Mohave County District 2 Sup. Tom Sockwell of Bullhead City said other alternatives should be looked at before going to the extreme of allowing guns on campuses. Teachers in elementary and secondary schools should learn to identify strange behaviors in problem students, such as those who cannot make friends, before there is a shooting incident.

    District 1 Sup. Pete Byers, who is retiring from the county board this year, said he supports the right to bear arms. However, he said police officers arriving at a scene of a shooting incident on a campus would not know who the “bad guys” are and who the innocent people are and may shoot at the wrong person.

    “How would you control a shooting situation?” he said.

    Byers also said he would oppose guns being brought to a board of supervisors meeting at the county's administration building.

    Supporters claim that the bill gives students and teachers the right to protect themselves if there is a shooting incident on the campus and that law enforcement officers may not arrive on the scene in time to stop a shooting.

    “We certainly support a citizens' right to legally carry a concealed weapon. However, we do not feel that allowing the concealed carry of a firearm on school campuses is a safe decision,” Bullhead City Deputy Chief of Police Brian Williamson said. “School violence situations are hectic, chaotic events that provide extraordinary challenges to responding law enforcement officers. Adding more unidentified people carrying guns and possibly engaging in the exchange of gunfire with a suspect may only further confuse the situation and add to the danger for all involved.”

    Williamson said another issue is one of general safety. There may be increased incidents of people leaving weapons unattended in backpacks, briefcases and purses to be picked up by a child or someone unfamiliar with its operation.
    "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
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    I hope after reading this nobody wonders why gun control is such a big issue.

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    This bill originally called for allowing guns on all school campuses (elementary, middle and high school) but was revised to include only community college & public university campuses in hopes of getting the bill advanced.

    The bill's lead sponsor:

    How about another gun bill in AZ? Let's allow people to bring their guns into resturaunts, that serve alcohol, as long as said gun toters don't drink any alcohol.......

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    I think that is just asking for trouble.
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    Asking for trouble? Why?

    It's not like college students are known for getting liquored up and making stupid decisions and getting in unnecessary fights

    This can only help the security issue.......
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    I don't see the problem with this. People should be allowed to protect themselves at all times. No surprise that Democrats voted against this. They would rather we all be helpless while the cretins of the world continue to escalate their chaos against us.
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