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    Ed's distortion....or is it?? How does he get it?

    Just based on the Charlotte boot and the live show i attended....does Ed only use the "on board" distortion on his EVH amp? Nothing rack mounted?? it seems to be a VERY different sounding texture! Compared to say his early to mid nineties "shimmery" tone. Like it wants to be out of control "soupy" but he keeps it it check somehow. What is that???? ( It is awesome though! )

    And would anyone give me the true definition of what the diff between
    "overdrive" and "distortion" is? lol

    I think i am an "overdrive" guy myself like the Angus Young tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halen_Fanatic View Post
    Just based on the Charlotte boot and the live show i attended....does Ed only use the "on board" distortion on his EVH amp? Nothing rack mounted?? it seems to be a VERY different sounding texture! Compared to say his early to mid nineties "shimmery" tone. Like it wants to be out of control "soupy" but he keeps it it check somehow. What is that???? ( It is awesome though! )

    And would anyone give me the true definition of what the diff between
    "overdrive" and "distortion" is? lol

    I think i am an "overdrive" guy myself like the Angus Young tone.
    He switches between two channels, the main one being a natural-sounding overdriven channel that he can back off to a cleaner tone for songs like Dance the Night Away and a super-overdriven channel for songs like Mean Street and such. You can hear him switch a few times on that Charlotte boot and you can see and hear him switch on some of the YouTube vids. I'm pretty sure it's only the preamp in the new EVHs.
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    theres no way the 5150 III needs any outboard distortion or overdrive.
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    agreed its all down to channel switching and ed's use of the guitars volume control....which he does a lot of....its a huge part of ed's playing style, hence the reason he labeled it "tone"....remember, volume IS tone.
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    Ed has NEVER used an overdrive or distortion pedal for his dirty sound. It's always been his amp's tone. He used a Boss SD1 overdrive briefly in the 90s to boost the signal into his wah, but that was it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halen_Fanatic View Post
    And would anyone give me the true definition of what the diff between
    "overdrive" and "distortion" is? lol
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    I don't know how much or little you know about it, but a quick Guitar Distortion 101 lesson would go something like this: Distortion is the by-product of overdrive. There are outboard pedals that only boost the signal, there are outboard pedals that act as a pre-amp, which cause the signal to break up faster and there are pedals that actually add "fuzz" distortion circuitry to the signal. There are also outboard power attenuators that act as a buffer between the amp and the speaker, causing the amp to work as if it's actually pegged out to "10", yet with control over the volume. Natural amp distortion from an amp cranked all the way up is the purest form of "distortion", but it's rarely do-able with a high-wattage amp unless you're playing in a huge venue, so pre-amps are added to most amplifiers to emulate the natural, overdriven amp sound. Again, sorry if you already know all this, but you asked.

    In Greensboro, I was seated on the floor, 20 rows back, eye-level, right in front of one of Ed's active bottom cabinets so I got a full dose of the 5150III tone all night. I thought it was great. I could hear every little nuance of his tone and to me, it's the closest live tone to the original "brown" sound that he's ever had. It sounded like he was basically relying on the amp itself for his overdriven tone for most of the night, switching to a more overdriven tone for different songs, like I mentioned in the reply earlier. The only thing it might have been missing was that he needed to "wet" it down a little with some delay. It was a very dry tone for the most part, with only the Phase, Flange and Wah, and the Cathedral delay later for the solo.

    Some people have said his tone is terrible this time around, but maybe they didn't have the vantage point I had or maybe the particular venue's acoustics messed it up or maybe the amps are just not consistent, but I know what I heard and I liked it. The tone in Charlotte sounded great to me also, I just wasn't right in front of it like G-boro.
    We train dogs for cattle and sheep herding. They're very different. Sheep are a lot like supermodels - they bunch together, they rattle very easily. Cattle are like drunks at a hockey game - two will want to fight: "Who are you and what's with your badge?"

    Two of them will be like: "Leave them alone, let's go see the game." Another one is lost: "Where'd you guys go?" The dog has to deal with all of that. You work them off a whistle. It's the original video game.
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    Generally speaking, in terms of guitar pedals. . .

    Overdrives, push the amp over the edge and add a little extra gain or dirt, allowing the amp to do most of the work. Overdrive pedals put out a boost and slight amount of dirt.

    Distortions, are typically used with a clean tone, and create the whole dirty tone by themselves, with not much coming from the amp. Distortion pedals put out a lot of drive and clipping.
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    on this tour I've been close enough to hear the amp on its own, and far enough back to where all I heard was the PA. Simply put the PA blows to high heaven. His tone live coming through his cabinets is really killer. I don't know that I would go as far to say its the closest thing to the THE BROWNSOUND but he's got a good amp there. Speaking as a 5150III owner, the thing has way more than enough gain/distortion/overdrive...no need to boost it with a pedal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanLaing5150 View Post
    on this tour I've been close enough to hear the amp on its own, and far enough back to where all I heard was the PA. Simply put the PA blows to high heaven. His tone live coming through his cabinets is really killer. I don't know that I would go as far to say its the closest thing to the THE BROWNSOUND but he's got a good amp there. Speaking as a 5150III owner, the thing has way more than enough gain/distortion/overdrive...no need to boost it with a pedal.
    Specific little things like the low-E rubbing in the intro of "Everybody Wants Some!" the "Heartbeat" section of "Romeo" and the main riff to "Atomic Punk" are some of the examples I'm talking about. There were parts where it was a little too distorted. "Mean Street" is an example where I didn't think it was that close. I've seen 'em every tour since 82, so, even though it was long ago and things tend to run together in my 41 year-old brain, I was still impressed with those nuances. It was really cool to be right in the line of fire, though. I was in roughly the same spot in Greensboro in 2004 and his tone was... well...ugh.
    We train dogs for cattle and sheep herding. They're very different. Sheep are a lot like supermodels - they bunch together, they rattle very easily. Cattle are like drunks at a hockey game - two will want to fight: "Who are you and what's with your badge?"

    Two of them will be like: "Leave them alone, let's go see the game." Another one is lost: "Where'd you guys go?" The dog has to deal with all of that. You work them off a whistle. It's the original video game.
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    I think when he is on the blue channel, he is close. When he is on channel 3, for rhythm stuff, that is when his tone starts slipping. Channel 2 I guess was voiced to match up the closest to his good ole brown sound and the 3rd channel or red channel is the extension of the 5150 series...
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanLaing5150 View Post
    I think when he is on the blue channel, he is close. When he is on channel 3, for rhythm stuff, that is when his tone starts slipping. Channel 2 I guess was voiced to match up the closest to his good ole brown sound and the 3rd channel or red channel is the extension of the 5150 series...
    What kind of tubes does the 5150III use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyw View Post
    What kind of tubes does the 5150III use?
    6L6s I believe. I've only played through it once, the blue (second) channel was fantastic. The rest of the amp? Meh.

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    yeah it uses 12ax7's for the preamp and 6l6's for the poweramp basically the same as the old peavey 5150 series just more of them due to it being a 3 channel amp....i'm not sure if its biased as cold as the peaveys though but from what i'm hearing it is
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