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    The Secret Is In The Midrange - 5150 Brownsound.

    I know by the title many of you will just skip this post, but, trust me, hear me out on this one and I think you'll find that sweet spot in your 5150.

    I'm a perfectionist and a little obsessive compulsive when it comes to my gear and especially my tone. For years I followed many of the generic settings provided for the 5150 amplifier and at first I thought they sounded half decent, yet not quite what I was looking for. I would tweak the resonance and presence, along with the bass, treble and pre gain to try and shape my sound and get closer to a browner town. It never worked. I made the mistake of keeping my Mids around 2-2.5, as most people suggested and recently I had an epiphany.

    The mid range of the 5150 is the key to unlocking great tone from your amp, and I mean great! I usually get settings and stick with them for a week and then I'll turn my amp one day, play, and say "What the hell was I thinking?" Not this time.... recently I tried pumping up the mids to around 4, pushing the treble back to 4 (4.5 if you're jamming with a band and trying to cut through the mix) and moving the presence up to 7.5-8. Pushing up the presence gives you an extra bit of bite and really balances out the fact that the treble is rolled back to 4. It also lets the harmonics ring alot clearer. The resonance around 5 really warms the tone, but it never hurts to bring it back to 4 when you're recording and don't want that boom. The mids on the 5150 are scooped (I'm sure we all know that by now) and you don't get that ear piercing bite that you would out of, say, a Marshall. Even putting the mids up higher than 4 wouldn't be a problem, but to me 4 is jusssttt right. Of course the guitar you're using and tubes are key, but it wouldn't hurt to give it a try with the gear you're using with your 5150. Essentially, I'm using my homemade black/white VHI strat with a duncan custom custom and I have JJ tubes in the Power and Pre amps.


    This was the best thing that has ever happened to this amp and my tone. Give it a try and get back to me, hopefully you won't be disappointed.

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    Lead Pre: 4 (Sometimes up to 5.5 depending on the song)

    Low: 6
    Mid: 4
    High: 4

    Lead Post: To Taste

    Resonance: 5.5
    Prescence: 8
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    Are you using the head and cab or the combo?

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    the secret to good tone in any amp is in the mids...people today turn it all the way down and crank the bass and often times the treble too and I'm sorry to say, but that sucks. It sounds crappy that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scs5150 View Post
    Are you using the head and cab or the combo?

    Ah sorry bro. I probably should have mentioned that haha. I'm using an original block letter 5150 head through a marshall 1960 cab. Sometimes I use just a marshall mg412 when I leave the 1960 at my drummers place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broken9500 View Post
    the secret to good tone in any amp is in the mids...people today turn it all the way down and crank the bass and often times the treble too and I'm sorry to say, but that sucks. It sounds crappy that way.
    Too true man, couldn't agree more. The mids in the 5150 will help anyone find their sweet spot. Turning the mids down is no good. Even if you try Ed's generic settings that come with the manual it just sounds terrible to me. You get the thin treble sound and a hollow tone with the mids down at 2. 3.5-4 on the 5150 get you well on your way to a great hard rock tone, very warm too, not thin.

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    Yep - around 4 with the treble also around 5 or 6 and prescence 'to taste' is great. A few months ago I did this and basically fell in love with the amp again after a long period of disinterest. Kinda like when the wife gets the bushes trimmed and some sexy underwear on...

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    I usually have the mids on my 5150s around 6 or 7.

    It shouldn't be a secret, but sometimes it takes people a while to figure it out: Tone is in the mids. Whether you prefer to dial them out or not, mids will have the greatest affect on your tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewThomas.net View Post
    I usually have the mids on my 5150s around 6 or 7.

    It shouldn't be a secret, but sometimes it takes people a while to figure it out: Tone is in the mids. Whether you prefer to dial them out or not, mids will have the greatest affect on your tone.

    Yeah man, exactly! I can push the mids up to 7 and it just sounds awesome. I've had this amp for damn near 4 years and I was slowly losing interest in it, but discovering the key in the mids just opened up a whole new world of tone. I'll never go back to anything below 3.5.

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    My mid is at around 5, presence at 6.5.
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    yup i run my mids at 4.5 to 5 and im playing in a metalcore band. mids add the tightness to the bottom end imo.
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    The mids on my Bogner Ecstasy are pretty much dimed.

    Mids are where the guitar tone plays in the audio spectrum. THey should relable them "Tone" on most amps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    My mid is at around 5, presence at 6.5.
    Nice! Usually the presence anywhere between 6-8 will give you a nice tone in contrast with the dimed mids, a nice mild crucnch, if you will haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bangerang5150 View Post
    I'm a perfectionist and a little obsessive compulsive when it comes to my gear and especially my tone.
    You cold've just said "I'm a guitarist" and we all would've understood

    Seriously, I've been playing for 23 years and it took me a long time to understand the importance of mids with relation to tone. I think when people started scooping them in the 80s a lot of new players just assumed you never needed them to begin with. In addition to rhythm tone, mids are essential for a nice fluid lead tone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jape Man View Post
    Mids are where the guitar tone plays in the audio spectrum. THey should relable them "Tone" on most amps.
    That is actually a very good idea!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewThomas.net View Post
    That is actually a very good idea!
    Agreed. The guitar is (mainly) a mid-based instrument - cutting the mids takes all the cut out, and you get lost in the mix. Keep those mids up!

 

 

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