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    Maybe "hypocrisy" isn't exactly the right word, but...

    I was flipping through the newest Musician's Friend catalog last night and, while eyeing the EVH signature flanger and phaser, I remembered Ed's comment in his last Stern interview about how he never really got into Hendrix because Jimi,"used a lot of effects and junk". Then it hit me that Ed is endorsing his signature flanger and phaser, effects which he used sparingly on recordings and live, and will eventually release a signature wah - an effect that he rarely used on recordings and live, but that he's using a lot more live on this tour (to promote it, obviously).

    I realize that when he made the above-mentioned comment on Stern he wasn't exactly in his right mind, but it still strikes me as something of a contradiction. I understand a Hendrix signature wah, phaser, flanger, etc., a lot more than any effects with Ed's name on them. Just an observation. Blood in the water...Feel free to tear into me...
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    The funny thing about Eddie is that he has always maintained that Clapton was a huge influence, and I believe him because if you look at the feel that Eddie plays with and any time you hear him play Cream stuff, you can tell he has spent a lot of time with it...but when you see some of his solo spots with the effects, feedback, screaming guitar, and him bowing or kneeling in front of his cabs and all the crazy stuff he does during his solo spot, well, that's exactly Hendrix. I don't think Eddie ever meant to bag on Hendrix, he was just trying to make the point that he dug Clapton more, but a lot of Eddie's playing has more to do with Hendrix than anything else. He's a funny cat that EVH.

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    I honestly think if you asked Ed a question about any guitar player out there today...he wouldn't have anything nice to say....that might be over-analyzing...but who knows...

    EVH on Clapton -"Well he was better when he was on heroin" Okay Ed...also keep in mind Ed said this while promoting the 2 songs he recorded for a porn soundtrack...keep listening to Rise and Catherine, Ed....their real gems compared to Romeo Delight and Good Enough as well
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    Terms like "hypocrisy" and "contradiction" can also mean "growth". Let's face it, when Ed started he more or less was creating little more than Black Sabbath-like riff tunes. In the late seventies, this is what everybody was doing. While noting this, also take a good look at his age at this time. This was a period when he rather insolently slammed Jimmy Page in a magazine for playing "like a two year old with broken fingers" (or something like that) and proclaimed to hate Hendrix' "fuzz/wah" garbage.

    He was in his early twenties and presumably had the world figured out, more than willing to share his opinions with very little life experience to back them up. Sound familiar? Yup...just like we all were at that age.

    As Ed got older, the reliance on the riff-oriented tunes began to drop off, as he discovered melody and song structure. Perhaps during this time, as his knowledge of the idiom grew, so too did his appreciation (if not tolerance) for the stylings of others that composed in this fashion. This discovery lead him to not only reassess his own gear, yet to also embrace what he'd denied in the past (going as far as to sponsor a star on the "Walk of Fame" for that lame performer Jimmy Page).

    Look, many children love ketchup on hot dogs or other food combinations associated with being young. Yet as they grow, these tastes of youth one by one drop by the wayside. Perhaps this is such the case with Ed Van Halen.

    Then again, he could merely be a cranky, contradictory bastard with mood swings.

    The point is we all develop and grow at different paces, and what serves as an axiom for the truth today may be so much as alien thinking tomorrow. There simply is no telling with people. Remember at one time around here, it was viewed that the Earth was unquestionably flat, and later on that the stars and planets rotated around it.

    I'll leave Ed Van Halen to what he says today as the truth, as it may change by tomorrow. Yet he can not get any ketchup on the hot dogs served at my house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    Yet he can not get any ketchup on the hot dogs served at my house.
    Everyone knows that's a sacrilege! Mustard, relish, chili, onions, etc, are all okay. But ketchup??? Anyway, Ed probably believes you can't use two condiments at the same time.
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    Wait...uh...you aren't...uh...suggesting Ed lied...uh...lied...right?!

    Seriously though, what he meant in that interview is that he could never afford all of the gear to reproduce the sound of Hendrix, so he went in the style of Clapton because he could make his stuff sound like him. I'm sure he was a huge influence, it's just that now he can afford the stuff--or make it and sell it.

    But I can't. Oh the irony.
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    It wouldn't surprise me at all if Hendrix is in fact Ed's favorite player and ALWAYS was, but Ed's so insecure that he thinks it would "give something away" to admit that.

    He sure does seem to be cut more from the "Jimi" mold than the "Eric" mold if that makes sense.

    In response to the original post, not so sure if this is hypocrisy or just classic EVH contradicting himself. I guess in the end you'd be right either way

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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post
    I'll leave Ed Van Halen to what he says today as the truth, as it may change by tomorrow.
    Much as I kill EVH for stuff like this, sometimes I really do think he honestly believes everything he is saying at the time he says it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    Wait...uh...you aren't...uh...suggesting Ed lied...uh...lied...right?!

    Seriously though, what he meant in that interview is that he could never afford all of the gear to reproduce the sound of Hendrix, so he went in the style of Clapton because he could make his stuff sound like him. I'm sure he was a huge influence, it's just that now he can afford the stuff--or make it and sell it.

    But I can't. Oh the irony.
    ok i have to chime in on this one. if you look at eds gear from the 76-77 period before they were signed . i see multiple vintage plexi marshall heads , marshall cabs with mixed speakers , line signals run into hk power amps , variacs , hacked up vintage strats , ibanez destroyers , les paul jrs. , mxr phasers and flangers , 2 vintage echoplexs , a fucking ww2 bomb to house them in , custom wound vintage gibson paf pickups ect ect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
    ok i have to chime in on this one. if you look at eds gear from the 76-77 period before they were signed . i see multiple vintage plexi marshall heads , marshall cabs with mixed speakers , line signals run into hk power amps , variacs , hacked up vintage strats , ibanez destroyers , les paul jrs. , mxr phasers and flangers , 2 vintage echoplexs , a fucking ww2 bomb to house them in , custom wound vintage gibson paf pickups ect ect.
    True, but that was once they started getting bigger. Back in the "Trojan Rubber Company," he didn't have the means to buy stuff like that. He learned Clapton stuff as a kid almost a decade before that, so I think he's still being truthful, it's just not exactly clear that's what he meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    Seriously though, what he meant in that interview is that he could never afford all of the gear to reproduce the sound of Hendrix, so he went in the style of Clapton because he could make his stuff sound like him.
    That's what I took from the comment and I didn't take it as slamming Hendix either. It just strikes me as odd that Ed would say that he never got that into Hendrix because of all the effects he couldn't afford at the time, while preparing to release his own signature wah - which is an effect Ed's not exactly known for using. I get the Hendrix wah, the Slash wah, etc. - but the EVH wah just doesn't make a whole lot of send to me.

    Put it this way, no one who was just taking up the guitar when Ed hit the scene could've said they weren't influenced by or into him because he used a wah all the time. Yet he's going to put out a signature version. I know it's an attempt to cash in, but it seems pretty blatant and/or poorly thought out. Then again, I'm sure it all makes sense to EVH.

    Hey, at least it's not tequila or hot sauce.
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    I think he just decided to use one, so why not make one to his specifications? And once he does that, why not sell it? That's what he did with his guitars, flanger, phaser, and amps, so he's just continuing the formula. That being said, I do agree it doens't exactly match up with your mind's image of EVH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis5150 View Post
    That's what I took from the comment and I didn't take it as slamming Hendix either. It just strikes me as odd that Ed would say that he never got that into Hendrix because of all the effects he couldn't afford at the time, while preparing to release his own signature wah - which is an effect Ed's not exactly known for using. I get the Hendrix wah, the Slash wah, etc. - but the EVH wah just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

    Put it this way, no one who was just taking up the guitar when Ed hit the scene could've said they weren't influenced by or into him because he used a wah all the time. Yet he's going to put out a signature version. I know it's an attempt to cash in, but it seems pretty blatant and/or poorly thought out. Then again, I'm sure it all makes sense to EVH.

    Hey, at least it's not tequila or hot sauce.
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    To me, it's kind of like Keith Richards starting a rehab clinic. Clapton, I get. But Keith (god bless 'em) doing it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense...
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    i still don't get the all this controversy surrounding Wahwahgate. EVH is a brand. It sells music gear. I wouldn't be surprised to see low watt practice amps in the future...maybe some bass gear...hell, we could even see an acoustic guitar at one point.

    As for the hendrix quote, Chef as usual is the voice of reason...couldn't have put it any better myself.

    Seriously, I think a lot of you guys need to relax...it seems like some of you spend your time cross referencing every quote that has ever been attributed looking for anything you can point to as evidence of Ed being the greediest hypocritical son of a bitch ever.

 

 

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