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    did it ever annoy you how much Ed used the chorus effect back in the hagar days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotforteacher921 View Post
    did it ever annoy you how much Ed used the harmonizer effect back in the hagar days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gproud5150 View Post
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    really? it always sounded like a chorus pedal to me. well whatever the hell it was, he used it too much.

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    Agreed. He used an Eventide Harmonizer, with the straight signal panned left (I think) and a slightly detuned signal to the other side. Created a Chorus-y effect. I never liked it. Found it most prevalent on Balance; which I find to be one of his worst sounding albums. And yes, I realize I'm in a minority there... :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gproud5150 View Post
    Agreed. He used an Eventide Harmonizer, with the straight signal panned left (I think) and a slightly detuned signal to the other side. Created a Chorus-y effect. I never liked it. Found it most prevalent on Balance; which I find to be one of his worst sounding albums. And yes, I realize I'm in a minority there... :-)
    im in the minority he used it way too much!!!! anyone also know how long he used his marshalls?

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    You definitely are, because I thought "Balance" was one of the better Sam-era tones he had. And yes he was in love with the Eventide...although I am pretty sure he was using it back with Dave. Certainly on "1984" he was.
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    I'd take the Balance tone any day of the week over the classic Brown sound....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    You definitely are, because I thought "Balance" was one of the better Sam-era tones he had. And yes he was in love with the Eventide...although I am pretty sure he was using it back with Dave. Certainly on "1984" he was.
    well he only used it sparingly back then. i just missed the classic brown sound, thats all.

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    i loved the tone on balance...its a tone i aspire to with my setup.
    i also love the old brown sound too
    one thing i have noticed though is that neather of the 2 tones work well when u play in a band with 2 guitars (just my opinion) for some reason it makes it sound as if theres tuning issues with everyone!
    as for the marshall's i believe ed was still using it around the time of f.u.c.k. but plugging the preamp section straight into the front of a soldano head and this was the basis for the original 5150 according to the former peavey engineer james brown who worked with ed on the project. but who knows with ed these days he could still be using it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    Certainly on "1984" he was.

    According to some interviews Ed started using te Harmonizer on Diver Down beacuse he "was tired of getting the sound of his guitar coming out from only one speaker". He always said "if you blow one speaker in your car, the guitar is gone".
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    Balance had the best tone of any of the Hagar era records IMO.

    However, I like the brown sound better and have always wondered what "might have been" if Hagar's voice had a chance to be mixed with the brown sound.

    I think some of the Hagar haters may not have been quite as vocal. But, I'm probably wrong on that one. Just seems that if VH still had a tone similar to early VH, things could have been a bit different.

    Other side to that wish - I bet after a while, Ed wanted to look for something a bit different. Too talented to stay with one thing his entire career. I kind of look at it like when they REALLY introduced keyboards with Jump (yeah, I know they used them earlier, but they weren't quite as prevelant or "Pop" music sounding). That turned a lot of people off. But I think as a musician, Ed wanted to go into a lot of different areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by batch View Post
    According to some interviews Ed started using te Harmonizer on Diver Down beacuse he "was tired of getting the sound of his guitar coming out from only one speaker". He always said "if you blow one speaker in your car, the guitar is gone".
    So he started using the harmonizer.
    actually i think ed was talking about the mixing or panning of the guitar hard left with the reverb decay on the right by ted templeman on the roth records.

    that was a staple guitar sound on the early recordings but was never really how eddie wanted the guitar mixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
    actually i think ed was talking about the mixing or panning of the guitar hard left with the reverb decay on the right by ted templeman on the roth records.

    that was a staple guitar sound on the early recordings but was never really how eddie wanted the guitar mixed.
    yup 100% what i read....makes a ton of sense too, which is unusual for alien ed
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    Yes, I started to tire of Eddie's chorusy, over-processed sound during the Hagar years. I do think the entire band sound great on Balance, and even today that recording still sounds tremendous. My favourite from that era is Eddie's sound on Humans Being. I really like the harmonizer there. He sounds tremendous on that song. But really, I've liked Eddie's tone on everything up until 1984. After that, I was less impressed with his tone. 5150 was pretty good, OU812 not so much, FUCK I didn't care for, with Balance being very good. VHIII, well, there were a lot of problems on that one. Lots of unrealized potential. The 2 tunes with Dave in 96 and the 3 with Sam in 04, I still have mixed feelings about his tone on those ones. Eddie's sound has changed quite drastically over the years if you really look at it.

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    actually ed used the harmonizer all the way back on vh2. listen to women in love. i find it funny when folks try and link the eventide to sammy. listen to fair warning. eventide writing all over it. same with diver down and 1984. from about fair warning to vh3 ed's main effect was harmonizer. now he didnt use it on the 3 tour but he did the album as you can tell a big difference in his tone. fuck was one of his best tones imo. very warm and fat. the eventide was also ran on both sides not just one. 3 cabs w/d/w. to me the brown sound isnt the first album but more the fair warning and 1984 albums. the first album is very edgey and not brown/warm. the term brown sound didnt start getting thrown around till then neither.

 

 

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