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    StubHub under a Patriot attack...

    Patriots win order to get names of ticket scalpers using StubHub

    The New England Patriots have won a bid to get the names of every fan who has bought or sold or attempted to buy or sell tickets to home games through ticket reseller StubHub Inc., a move that one technology group is criticizing as an invasion of privacy.

    The Patriots won’t say what they plan to do with the names, but in a lawsuit filed last year against StubHub, the team said it could seek to revoke season tickets of people who use StubHub to violate the team’s rules against reselling tickets for a profit and the state’s rarely enforced anti-scalping law, which restricts ticket markups to $2 above face value, plus some service charges.

    A Suffolk Superior Court judge this summer granted the Patriots’ request to force San Francisco-based StubHub to turn over the names of 13,000 people who have used StubHub, a subsidiary of eBay Inc. and one of the country’s largest ticket resellers.

    StubHub appealed, but the ruling was upheld by the state Appeals Court. Stubhub turned over the names last week, said Daniel Goldberg, an attorney for the Patriots.

    The Center for Democracy and Technology, a Washington D.C.-based advocacy group, said the court order to turn over the names infringes on the privacy rights of Patriots fans.

    "The Patriots, just at the beginning of the season, were filming opposing teams and accused of surveillance and given a slap from the National Football League about that. Now they’re turning the cameras on their fans, so clearly there is a lack of understanding about what privacy is," said Ari Schwartz, deputy director of the center.

    EBay is a member of the center’s working group on free speech online.

    StubHub vigorously opposed the Patriots’ request, arguing it violates the confidentiality agreement with its customers. StubHub, which filed a countersuit against the Patriots, said the team wants to create a monopoly on the resale market for its own tickets.

    "Indeed, it is plain that the Patriots seek this highly confidential customer information to further their unlawful, anticompetitive campaign against StubHub and its customers," the company said in court papers.

    The Patriots, however, argue they are entitled to know who may be violating their rules and the state’s anti-scalping law. The team says it is trying to ensure that fans get tickets at reasonable prices, not the sometimes exorbitant prices through ticket agents.

    On Thursday, two 50-yardline tickets for New England’s Dec. 16 game against AFC rival New York Jets were listed for $1,300.05 each. The face value is $125.

    "One of our claims against StubHub is that knowing we have rules against resale on the Internet, that they are out there soliciting people to violate our rules," Goldberg said. "In order to pursue that claim, we need to understand who has been persuaded by that inducement to list their tickets (on StubHub)."

    Goldberg said the Patriots’ rules on resale are clear and printed on the back of every ticket.

    "We have hundreds of people on waiting lists willing to comply with our rules, so if individuals prefer not to comply with the rules, that’s their choice," he said.

    Goldberg would not say how the Patriots plan to use the customer information provided by StubHub.

    But in his order, Superior Court Judge Allan van Gestel said the Patriots have "legitimate interests" in knowing the identity of people who resell tickets through StubHub. The judge said the Patriots could use the information not only for the lawsuit, but for other purposes, including canceling season tickets of violators or reporting violators to authorities for breaking the state’s anti-scalping law.

    The Patriots have revoked tickets of fans who resell on any site except the Patriots’ own TeamExchange Web site, which limits sales to face value. That Web site is run by Ticketmaster.

    Tony Troilo, a season ticket holder from Mansfield, said he appreciates the Patriots’ efforts to protect its fans by strictly enforcing its rules against ticket scalping.

    "But on the flip side of that, I think there are probably a lot of good, loyal fans who for whatever reason can’t make it to a game and obviously don’t want to eat the ticket," Troilo said. "It seems like it shouldn’t be a crime for them to go on StubHub.com."
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    Quote Originally Posted by voivod View Post
    "One of our claims against StubHub is that knowing we have rules against resale on the Internet, that they are out there soliciting people to violate our rules," Goldberg said. "In order to pursue that claim, we need to understand who has been persuaded by that inducement to list their tickets (on StubHub)."
    Don't the Patriots know who they sold their tickets to? Stubhub, I believe, lists the section, row and seat numbers, so shouldn't they be able to just go on StubHub's site, see which tickets are being scalped and just cancel that person's season tickets account going forward?

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007 View Post
    Don't the Patriots know who they sold their tickets to? Stubhub, I believe, lists the section, row and seat numbers, so shouldn't they be able to just go on StubHub's site, see which tickets are being scalped and just cancel that person's season tickets account going forward?
    hahaha - EXCELLENT point...
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    Quote Originally Posted by billy007 View Post
    Don't the Patriots know who they sold their tickets to? Stubhub, I believe, lists the section, row and seat numbers, so shouldn't they be able to just go on StubHub's site, see which tickets are being scalped and just cancel that person's season tickets account going forward?
    Actually I don't think seat numbers are givin out until you actually purchase the tickets. But as Stubhub rules state they are just the middleman providing you with a place to sell your tickets. I believe the seller should be the one abiding by any laws of the venue or state. If it's in a contract when you buy season tix that you are not allowed to resell for profit on the internet than it's your own fault you were caught.
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    Wow.

    I've got no sympathy for anyone caught. It's been common knowledge here for years now that the Pats are extremely aggressive in enforcing their ticket policies. There were a bunch of very public spats with ticketholders when their season tickets got revoked. One guy got his pulled when a client went into a woman's restroom (no lines) to avoid the long lines at the men's room, etc.

    Pats games used to have a horrendous reputation for rowdy drunk fans. The Pats decided their new stadium wasn't going to be that kind of place, and they've been working hard to avoid it. This is a piece of that - you as a season ticket holder are responsible for that ticket, and that seat, fuck up and you lose it.

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