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    Russia offers to Complete Iran's Nuke Plant, and Defend it against attack

    October 17, 2007

    Vladimir Putin pledges to complete Iranian nuclear reactor




    President Putin forged an alliance with Iran yesterday against any military action by the West and pledged to complete the controversial Iranian nuclear power plant at Bushehr.

    A summit of Caspian Sea nations in Tehran agreed to bar foreign states from using their territory for military strikes against a member country. Mr Putin, the first Kremlin leader to visit Iran since the Second World War, insisted that the use of force was unacceptable.

    “It is important . . . that we not only not use any kind of force but also do not even think about the possibility of using force,” he told the leaders of Iran, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.

    The declaration of the five states did not specify a particular threat. Rumours have long circulated, however, that the US is seeking Azerbaijan’s permission to use airfields for possible military action to stop Iran from developing a nuclear bomb.

    Mr Putin arrived in Tehran for the summit amid tight security after warnings of a plot by suicide bombers to assassinate him. His visit is a propaganda coup for President Ahmadinejad as he faces American and European pressure for tougher United Nations sanctions to halt Iran’s nuclear programme.

    Mr Putin and Mr Ahmadinejad met after the summit for private talks. State television in Tehran quoted Mr Putin as saying that Russia would continue to “assist Iran’s peaceful nuclear programme”.

    Russia is building Iran’s first atomic power plant in the port city of Bushehr. A row over Iranian payments has slowed down the work, and Mr Putin emerged from yesterday’s meeting without setting a date for the $1 billion (£500 million) project.

    However, Russian media later reported that Moscow had promised to complete the work on schedule. “The construction and the commission of Bushehr will be implemented in accordance with the agreed timetable,” the Russian news agency Ria reported, citing the two leaders’ joint statement. Mr Putin also invited Mr Ahmadinejad to Moscow.

    Mr Putin said that the Bushehr contract would have to be reviewed to clarify legal matters and the financial obligations of each party. Moscow has delayed delivery of nuclear fuel for the station as part of the dispute.

    The Tehran declaration strengthened Moscow’s hostility to any attempt at a military solution. It also offered support for Iran by asserting the right of any country that had signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty to develop peaceful nuclear energy “without discrimination”. Tehran insists that its nuclear programme is purely for civil purposes to generate electricity.

    The summit was called to try to settle the status of the Caspian among the five states that border the sea. Iran and the former Soviet Union shared it equally but there has been a 16-year dispute over mineral rights since the emergence the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.

    The leaders failed to reach agreement on dividing the seabed, which is believed to hold the world’s third-largest reserves of oil and gas. They agreed to meet again in Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan, next year.

    Ties that bind

    — Gazprom, Russia’s state-controlled energy company, has invested $750 million (£370 million) in projects in Iran

    — Russia exports $2 billion of metal and machinery to Iran a year

    — Russia has supplied nuclear technology to Iran, including the $1 billion Bushehr reactor

    — Russia is a key supplier of arms to Iran, including a $700 million air-defence system, MiG29 combat aircraft and T72 tanks

    — Iran’s goodwill is useful for Russia’s attempts to control fractious Muslim minorities in Central Asia and the Caucasus

    — Both countries oppose the eastward expansion of Nato

    Sources: Council on Foreign Relations; Institute for Defence Studies
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    I find it reassuring that President Putin is supporting Iran. A world in which only the American or Anglo-American opinion prevails is going to be an uncomfortable place for most people to live in. We need an alternative and this Iranian affair illustrates the point. Iran says it s development of nuclear power is benign and America contradicts this position. Who is to say which is true? The situation is thus fraught, and all sorts of belligerent threats are made. Enter Russia with a third party proposition and the situation is deflated from a possible war between America and Iran. With the ending of the Cold War it seems we need at least a Cold Peace.
    Henry Percy, London, UK


    Since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 the USA has become the bully of the world. Im glad to see Russia becoming stronger and starting to flex some of its new found muscles.
    Dave, Bristol, UK


    Did Americans seriously expect Russia and China to sit back and watch U.S steal oil, from yet another oil rich nation?
    Abdul Ali, Tehran, Iran


    Why you don't bother that international terrorists and thiefs have a political asylum in UK? Please, take your own look on the past and the present, without a mass-media impact.
    Sergey, Moscow, Russia


    If Russia really wanted Iran to have a nuclear bomb, they could simply just give them one of their 7,200 "active" nuclear warheads, or maybe one from their stockpile of 8,800 "inactive reserve" weapons. It is interesting to note that the USSR was "wiped off the map" to become the "glorious motherland" of Russia. Nobody can agree on what Ahmadinejad actually meant in his speech about the state of Israel, but the right wingers enjoy rolling out this potential misquote and/or mistranslation for their propaganda purposes. Yawn...
    livelogger, Spain,


    get rid of bush he;s leading everyone into very dangerous territory, for what? Nothing, the man is simple and stupid, he didn't even know where Iraq was on a map... America get someone in who knows something about politics not drilling for oil please.
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    A lot of the American commenters here seem to think Putin is their friend. But Putin is not doing this to help the Democrats. Putin is returning to the old ways of 'spheres of influence' and 'proxy wars'. The Cold war has returned. Of course, during the cold war, America was demonized by many Americans, just as we see in the comments here, so really nothing at all has changed.
    William McIlhagga, Ilkley,



    So it's "Keep your missiles out of Poland or we'll build an Iranian reactor"
    ken, watford,


    Doe's it not bother any nation that Putin is sleeping in the same bed as Iran,.a nation that want's to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. I think we should keep an equal eye on Putin.
    mitch, Sydney, Australia.


    Glad to see Russa stand up for the small nations's rights to exist. This big brother became so evil when there is no other big brothers in the home. After all, two or more great powers would make the world safer and less bloodshed from the defenseless people.
    John Miller, Sain Paul, MN


    Stop demonizing Russia. I've been there 3 times, speak the language and have a lot of Russian friends in the US. Who keeps the space station going when the shuttle is grounded due to a few clouds? The Russian Space Agency.


    Americans don't study world history much with all the time spent following Britney and Anna Nicole. We had troops inside Russia - along with the British - in the early '20's. Do you think they have forgotten?
    Larry Abbott, Asheville, NC


    Are we missing something here? It now seems that Putin has set Russia against America on this key policy issue. Russian spy planes have resumed probing flights into Europe and the United Kingdom recently. I someone trying to provoke a stand off and, if so, whom and why? What has happened to the new found friendship of a few years ago and who is responsible for its loss?
    Paul, Coventry UK,


    Yes ......it is excellent that Putin will help Iran acquire Nuclear Weapons.
    Today we are safer and it will have no affect on the world.............until Iran hands off a nuclear weapon to a terrorist group and they detonated it in a large US city. That will OF COURSE be Bush's fault also.
    Hotsput, ATL, USA


    Tom writes: "On a side note, it is time for us all to take our destiny into our own hands. If the government won't represent our interests and the media continues to ignore the masses, we need to force the issue"

    Er...Tom, I'm not sure if the 'masses' are with you, but when you're talking revolution, you ought not to consider it a 'side note.'
    David, Columbia, MO USA


    Again. We have been reminded that the limit to our military prowess has been exposed. The American military myth has been finally destroyed by President Bush. Hence, every nation that once envied the USA can now insult, scoff and demean the USA without regard and with reckless abandon. Once again, this is one of many instances where we are reminded of the unfortunate harm that President Bush has done to our great country, God's own country...US of A.
    Niwa, Atlanta, USA


    As long as we in the USA talk tough toward Iran while steadily advancing our military interests in former Soviet States we will receive counter moves like the above from Russia. If we truly believe that Iran is a "real and significant threat" to us then prudent and patient diplomacy would obviate us to go slow on our military advances and quasi alliances in the East until the Iran question was determinatively settleled. We cannot continue to insult Russia and not expect a response such as the above.
    Lx, Chicago,


    Another victory for Bush, our non-representative, Special Interest Fluffing Congress and the PNAC.
    x32792, Orlando, FL


    It's ironic. Russia/Putin is likely to accomplish what the American people have failed to do: force the Bush government to back-off plans to attack Iran. It's good news no matter how it is accomplished. Good for Putin, and a snub the present idiots in Washington (of both parties).
    Ataraxia, Atlanta, Ga. USA


    If Iran wants to have Russia build nuclear power plants that can be assuerdly not converted to weaponized material production, everyone else has to allow it. The USA does not haev a patent on nuclear energy.
    george milton, Dallas, TX


    You go to bed with the enemy of your enemy. We don't have the right to tell other nations what they can do within their borders as long as people are not being killed. Our Government's job is to protect its citiznes from danger, not to police other nations
    Chico Juan, Gaithersburg, USA/MD


    I think that this should signal all members of our legislative branches of government that the only people we should support are Israel and our own. It is readily apparent to the average American citizen that the world has turned it's back on America and the Israeli people. It is only a matter of time before the Chinese join the Mideastern coalition against the US and it's allies. Wake up America, before we all walk to the beat of a different drum. On a side note, it is time for us all to take our destiny into our own hands. If the government won't represent our interests and the media continues to ignore the masses, we need to force the issue.
    Tom, Reidsville, NC


    Vladimir:
    Can you say bye bye!
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    So there you go, France was right.

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    Yes Mr. Putin, please defend the Iranian nuke site. Also, if you could see your way to giving your air defense systems to all of our enemies we'd appreciate it.

    See, we're kind financially strapped at the moment and stealth and new ECM can be super-duper expensive. If our enemies buy French, Swedish, British, Dutch, German or Japanese Air Defense systems then we've got to spend money updating our equipment and design all new military aircraft and boy is that expensive.

    If the only air defense sysytems that we have to worry about are Russian made then we save money and we have the bonus of showing up over the targets your shitty AADS are protecting and destroying them. We really, really, really like the STATE OF THE ART Russian air defense sysytem that you sold to Syria (the identical system that you've sold to Iran) that the Israeli Air Force was able to fly 1800 miles through undetacted and destroy their secret nuclear facility a few weeks ago. The world will be a much safer place if Soviet..er..Russian anit-aircraft systems guard vital targets belonging to the assholes of the world.

    Thank you, Mr. Putin, for making the world a much safer place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
    We really, really, really like the STATE OF THE ART Russian air defense sysytem that you sold to Syria (the identical system that you've sold to Iran) that the Israeli Air Force was able to fly 1800 miles through undetacted and destroy their secret nuclear facility a few weeks ago.
    for anyone who missed it...

    Report: Israel 'blinded' Syrian radar

    After Israeli missile strike on Syria confirmed by both sides, the question remains – how did Israel's non-stealth jets infiltrate Syrian airspace undetected? US aerospace experts tell Aviation Week magazine that Israel used new US-developed technology that lets users invade and manipulate enemy communication networks

    After Syrian President Bashar Assad admitted that Israeli planes carried out a missile strike in Syria and after the media blackout on the incident was lifted in Israel, many unanswered questions still remain regarding how IAF jets managed to infiltrate Syrian security.

    An article published this week on the aerospace magazine Aviation Week & Space Technology's website offers the theory of experts in the field on how the Israeli F15 and F16 jets – which are not stealth fighters – managed to evade detection by Syrian air defense radar.

    US aerospace industry and former US Air Force officials told Aviation Week's Senior Military Editor David A. Fulghum that Israel must have used "a technology like the US-developed 'Suter' airborne network attack system".

    The cutting-edge technology allows users to invade enemy communication networks, to "see what enemy sensors see and even take over as systems administrator so sensors can be manipulated into positions so that approaching aircraft can't be seen", experts said.

    In effect, the technology infiltrates and tricks enemy sensors by "directing data streams into them that can include false targets and misleading messages algorithms that allow a number of activities including control," the article explains.

    The US system was recently tested successfully in operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, officials told Aviation Week.

    Iran worried?
    According to the article, a Kuwaiti newspaper recently reported that "Russian experts are studying why the two state-of-the art Russian-built radar systems in Syria did not detect the Israeli jets entering Syrian territory. Iran reportedly has asked the same question, since it is buying the same systems and might have paid for the Syrian acquisitions."

    The system is the new Tor-M1 launcher, and the Iranians bought 29 of them from Russia for $750 million to guard their nuclear sites. The Tor launchers were delivered in January, according to Agency France-Press and ITAR-TASS.

    It is not confirmed that the Tor system was in fact the system guarding the Syrian site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
    If the only air defense sysytems that we have to worry about are Russian made then we save money and we have the bonus of showing up over the targets your shitty AADS are protecting and destroying them. We really, really, really like the STATE OF THE ART Russian air defense sysytem that you sold to Syria (the identical system that you've sold to Iran) that the Israeli Air Force was able to fly 1800 miles through undetacted and destroy their secret nuclear facility a few weeks ago. The world will be a much safer place if Soviet..er..Russian anit-aircraft systems guard vital targets belonging to the assholes of the world.
    They sell pretty much same shit to those countries like you guys sell to newly joined NATO members. Those are just short-range systems, besides Syrians probably had no clue how to use them anyway.
    Russian forces with S-300s would be quite different - eg the F117 shot down in Yugoslavia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterlessIceness View Post
    They sell pretty much same shit to those countries like you guys sell to newly joined NATO members. Those are just short-range systems, besides Syrians probably had no clue how to use them anyway.
    Russian forces with S-300s would be quite different - eg the F117 shot down in Yugoslavia.
    The F-117 that was shot down over Serbia was a result of bad tactic on our part. With Stealth, TAC had gotten lazy and they strayed from one basic successful tactic, that being the Maxim : Don't fly out the same way you flew in.

    That F-117 pilot did exactly that. While the Serbians were tracking faint returns and using a cascade-trianglation the clincher was that he returned along his infiltration route and that made the Serbian's targeting job much easier.

    I would point out that the Air Force was able to get their rescue choppers into Serbia and back out with little problem. ("Little" being a relative term)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterlessIceness View Post
    besides Syrians probably had no clue how to use them anyway.
    Directions were written in Russian...

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    Haha well I can read that

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    Lets face it...we are all screwed.

    War is as inevitable as the moon orbiting earth. On what scale is the question here and I think the answer is a potentially large one. I used to think another World War would be the end of mankind but I am beginning to think its EXACTLY what we need.

    The world today is messed up....celebrity culture has reached a sickening new height and its time to get rid of all that and there is no better way than putting EVERYBODYS back against the wall in a fight for survival. Nuke us all and let god start over again in a thousand years.
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    Does anyone remember a few years back when Bush and Putin met in Texas. At the news conference, Bush said that he knew Putin was a trustworthy friend because he "looked into his eyes and saw his soul" or something like that? Makes you wonder if Bush is rethinking that assessment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by looper_guy View Post
    Does anyone remember a few years back when Bush and Putin met in Texas. At the news conference, Bush said that he knew Putin was a trustworthy friend because he "looked into his eyes and saw his soul" or something like that? Makes you wonder if Bush is rethinking that assessment.
    Bush, thinking?

    Umm... ok...
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    Well yeah and Rumsfeld shaked hands with Hussein at some point. It's politics.

    YO!Edward , I don't want for the humanity to be wiped out at all, I don't think it's all this screwed up either. If you're aware or celebrity culture it's only your choice (watching tv/reading mags/internet) - I for example am not and I hangout around many people who wouldn't tell one celebrity from another either.

    If anyone thinks the world today is messed up you have just no idea what the world was going through in the 30-ies. Just don't pay attention to whatever makes you sick, there's no need to wish for nuking everyone. My friends, my family etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voivod View Post
    Bush, thinking?

    Umm... ok...
    Put that one on a tee for you to hit, didn't I?

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    Putin is being a capitalist, i.e., he's taking advantage of the political market conditions in order to advance his position for the future.

    I don't think anything that man does should ever come as a shock. Bush may think he saw something in his soul, but it damn sure wasn't a glimmer of light from the campfire of an angel of peace and good intentions.

 

 

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