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    Default U.S. Capitol: 'God' a No-Go on Flag Certificates

    WASHINGTON — When 17-year-old Andrew Larochelle of Dayton, Ohio, crafted a plan to send his grandfather the gift of a flag that had flown over the U.S. Capitol, he never thought his sentiments about "God, country and family" would be questioned.

    The Eagle Scout was surprised, however, when the personal inscription he requested attached to a flag he purchased from the U.S. Capitol was censored. The teen said he wrote, "In honor of my grandfather Marcel Larochelle, and his dedication and love of God, country and family."

    The flag flew on Sept. 11, Marcel Larochelle's birthday. But when Andrew finally received the flag in the mail on Sept. 30, "God" was taken out of his note.

    "I was shocked that the word 'God' would be taken off a personal message from my son to his grandfather," Andrew's father, Paul Larochelle, told FOX News.

    The family contacted Rep. Michael Turner, R-Ohio, who had sought to fulfill the flag request. Turner requested an explanation for the omission from the Architect of the Capitol, the office responsible for flying American flags momentarily over the Capitol and then sending them to constituents who request them, all for a fee of $9.

    Turner said he was told that AoC rules do not allow religious expressions on flag certificates.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has defended the omission made by acting Architect Stephen T. Ayers, and said she has no plans to change the existing rules.

    House Republicans, however, have a different take. They say the Capitol has many religious expressions and Congress begins each day with a prayer. They want new rules allowing religious expressions on flag certificates. They also note that the message wasn't written by Congress but by a private citizen to another private citizen.

    "This practice, which overturns a longstanding and long cherished congressional tradition, has rightly drawn outrage from the American people, who have grown weary of endless attempts by politicians and bureaucrats to bar the word God and even the most tacit references to faith from our public institutions," House Minority Leader John Boehner wrote in a letter to Pelosi.

    Boehner said as speaker, Pelosi can instruct the acting Architect of the Capitol to set aside the written policy of his predecessor and restore the practice of including God's name.

    To compromise, Rep. Robert A. Brady, chairman of the House Administration Committee, which oversees the Architect of the Capitol, has suggested allowing a uniform certificate of authenticity and then giving each congressional office latitude to handle personal inscriptions. Turner has said he is considering legislation to repeal the AoC rule.
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    I heard about this on Glenn Beck the other night. It wasn't just a plan he crafted, the kid is an Eagle Scout and wanted that on there because that is part of the scouting oath and the way his grandfather approached life. It's a sad day when stuff like this happens, and I fear it will only get worse.
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    What a stupid thing to make an issue out of. People in Washinton DC have their heads so far up their ass when it comes to things like this. What purpose does it serve to have a federal stance about putting a message on a flag? Just stupid PC BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    What a stupid thing to make an issue out of.
    No kidding. I'm not sure why the kid's dad is making a stink.

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    Pelosi's gonna have a hard time getting "In God We Trust" off all the coins in circulation.. I mean, I guess you could just start using a magic marker on the bills, but the coins?? That will take some doing..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeL View Post
    No kidding. I'm not sure why the kid's dad is making a stink.

    Clever.

    He shouldn't have to make an issue out of it, but because of grandstanding by the federal yuppies--I mean government--he has to.

    All of this crap is bad on both sides of the aisle, you've got people worried about Freedom Fries on the right and people worried about any usage of the word God on the left.

    Again, why can't they tackle real problems? Stop trying to "prove a point" and actually do something you useless turds.
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    but congress recognizes the ramadan holiday or whatever the fuck it is. pathetic.
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    I wish somebody could show me the part of our constitution that grants me the right to not get offended.

    I sure as hell can't find it.
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    I believe it would be right to free speech, which is part of the Bill of Rights, which is obviously being denied here. Funny how the ACLU jumps all over "the administration" for "censoring" without any basis, but when something like this happens, they are nowhere to be found.

    I guess, just like the rest of the politicians in Washington, some people only take a stand when its politically convenient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbll4 View Post
    Clever.

    He shouldn't have to make an issue out of it, but because of grandstanding by the federal yuppies--I mean government--he has to.
    Explain to me how the government is grandstanding?

    Apparently the government has a policy. This father didn't like the policy, so he took his case to a Republican congressman. Either the family or the congressman alerted Fox News, apparently. Now who is doing the grandstanding, exactly?

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    It's the government policy that decides what a boyscout can put on a certificate to his grandfather. How else do you get something like this changed? My point is, the fact that it is policy in the first place means someone decided to try and set an example by implementing this. It's complete BS for it to be a policy.

    Would you have a problem if they weren't allowed to say: "this flag is for all of the black soldiers who gave their lives" or "to my grandfather who was a vegetarian"?

    The point is that it is a completely arbirtrary, unconstitutional, and otherwise stupid policy. Why place restrictions on wording in private certificates? It just flies in the face of reason when you consider the rest of government policy to say a prayer in the morning, have army chaplains, the routine saying of God Bless America, etc. Why put such a policy in place?

    Grandstanding. That's why.

    And the real point of this whole story? If politicians would stop making policies like this they could tackle something important--instead of restricting what private citizens can have written on a private certificate produced by the government their taxes and votes allow to work.
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    I think you might want to look up the definition of grandstanding.

 

 

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