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    Is it accurate to say that Eddie brought almost ALL the music ideas to the table and then Dave, Sammy or Gary put lyrics to it? I know that is the case for most of the albums, but I can't recall how many "from scratch" collaborations there were...if any..including music. I know they probably tweaked things, but the basic riffs et al seemed to come from Eddie.

    Having said that, 2 thoughts, with Dave's comments about the TYPE of music he wants to do (with Soul I believe he said), I wonder how open Eddie and/or Dave are to creating a new album. Seems Eddie's MO is to bring his creations to the table and create something out of them, but now Dave might want to "start from scratch".

    I would extrapolate that Eddie's "mood" has been in the vein of the porno songs....wonder what Dave would do with that style?

    I guess thoughts like this show why creating a CD CAN be so much harder than touring. Watching the Metallica thing showed a little of that. Its easy to imagine them all hanging out and having fun making music, but sadly it doesn't seem to go that way for many bands.


    Also, does this mean if Sammy was still in VH in 1998 III would have mostly the same music but a different set of lyrics..maybe some tweaks in song selection? Or if Dave was in in 1985 he would have made something different out of the Why Can't This Be Love/ Best of Both Worlds basic structure?

    It makes me wonder if both eras would sound exactly the same except for Dave and Sammy's lyrics..maybe song selection.......or is that pushing it WAY too far? Seems Eddie creates what Eddie is in the mood to create, regardless...

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    When Sammy was on with Howard Stern promoting his 2nd post VH release Red Voodoo, Howard asked him if he listened to the VH 3 album. Sammy said he did, and he thought it was awful. Sammy also said if he was still in the band then, he would of rejected most or all of the songs.

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    There is no way to know but my guess from listening to bootlegs is that Eddie makes the music and others (sam, Dave, Gary) wrote the lyrics.

    I was just listening to an old bootleg and the lyrics to the music were completely different but the song was the same. In fact a lot of songs were bits and peices from other songs that Eddie wrote and Dave would rewrite the lyrics and melody.

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    I don't think Dave was intending to do anything differently from what they did in the past. Which, was to take Eddie's songs and meld them with Dave's lyrics and melodies. The result, is what Dave is referring to as 'soul' -- just his way of describing it.

    The approach has been the same all thru the years. Eddie writes the music/riffs, etc. Dave, Sammy, or Gary contribute lyrics and melody. I'm sure Ed has a hand in melody as well.
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    Ed writes the music and the melody. Dave would write the words.

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    from what I understand Ed has "riffs" not full songs, he presents these riffs to the band and they go from there. There are great riffs on 3 but the song structure sucks and the production sucks and.....well you get the point. There's nothing wrong with the riff for FITH, it's just the rest of the song isn't done very well even though it's prolly the best on that CD. Dave or Sammy could have made alot of that stuff killer.....oh, well.

    I'm not saying they can't make a record, I just think if they are gonna do it they need to do some things first.....get a producer and get the hell out of 5150..but hey, that's just my opinion.

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    the thing about 3 (and this has been mentioned by both Gary and Eddie) is that Ed for the first time changed the way he wrote songs. In the past he'd write all the music and bring it to either Dave/Sam who would tweak it and write the lyrics. In other words, no work is done before Ed shows up with the goods.

    In the case of VH3 (and Extreme for that matter) Gary would show up with lyrics and the guitarist (Ed, Nuno) would then write around Gary's lyrical ideas. It worked well in Extreme but it wasn't as successful with VH.

    I imagine that if they write new material, it'll be at 5150 and they'll use the same formula they've used for everything but VH3. I also imagine the stuff might be pretty good.

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    From everything I've ever read, Eddie comes up with the vast majority of the musical ideas, whether they be in the form of riffs, verse-chorus parts, intros, or somewhat complete songs. The band chooses which ones they like and take it from there, with the lyrics,vocal melodies, and harmonies being done a bit later in the process. Sam or Dave would write all the lyrics and do the vocal melodies, with probably input from Alex and Eddie with the melody part of the vocal and the harmonies. I believe this is one of Eddie's sore points with Mike...he would just show up and do whatever he was told without contributing anything to the creative process, but who knows really.

    The music for VH3 was written around the lyrics Gary came up with, so the process was reversed.

    Regardless of whether the music or lyrics come first, Eddie does need a good producer who can help shape the final version of the song and to crack the whip and keep the band on a good recording schedule. Eddie has always admitted that if you leave him and his brother alone in the studio, they'll just piss up a rope for months on end without actually completing anything. This would explain the "10 cds" of music Eddie supposedly has lying around at home. He's probably not lying, but those cds wouldn't be complete songs ready for release, probably just bits and pieces of songs and ideas. They'll be just fine recording in 5150, it is a great sounding studio, they just need someone to keep them on task, and a good sound engineer to have it sounding like VH should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wingnut View Post
    Ed writes the music and the melody. Dave would write the words.
    Sorry, you've got it wrong. Outside of a song or two with Gary the singers in the band at the time always came up with the melodies. I've NEVER heard Eddie say he wrote any melodies or lyrics for that matter other than with Gary, and I believe that was only on a song or two.

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    I maybe wrong but the only song on VH 3 that was written with lyrics first followed by music.......How Many Say I. I am pretty sure on that because I remember the interview that Eddie did where he was so moved by the lyrics he got up and went to the piano and wrote that dreadful song. He said it was the only time he did that. I think the remainder of the album was recorded like the previous albums. Music first followed by lyrics.

    If you watch "The Wild Life" you will hear snippets of songs that appeared later as Good Enough, AFU, Right Now and Sucker in a 3 Piece. This was 2-5 years before they were made into songs.

    Unless the story has changed, Sammy mentioned in 2004 that Eddiie has a shit load of CD's with riffs on them. Of course he did say in 2005, its mostly just Eddie and Al jamming so who knows.

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    Apart from MAYBE a few things on VH III, I doubt Ed told Sam or Dave what to come up with for a lead vocal melody. That's what singers do themselves. Maybe Ed and Mike talked about the harmonies for the choruses.
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    I am sure Ed comes up shit just like the rest of us dork guitarists. You have a riff, you jam it with the band, other parts come from it, blah blah blah. I am sure there is a lot more collaboration than we know of, because that's how most bands work and I'm pretty sure VH for the most part was the exact same way.
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    Not sure Sam would have any business bashing 3. The last 3 original tunes
    from VH are as bad as anything offa 3, the album. Insert HMSI comment here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HanValen View Post
    Sorry, you've got it wrong. Outside of a song or two with Gary the singers in the band at the time always came up with the melodies. I've NEVER heard Eddie say he wrote any melodies or lyrics for that matter other than with Gary, and I believe that was only on a song or two.
    Agree. My 2.5 cents....DLR, GC, and SH's influences are easily heard in all three renditions of the band.....which is one reason there's always the "who's the best/worst singer in VH" debate on this forum. Eddie apparently sets the tone for most songs, but once the vocals start belting out the lyrics, the melody, phrasing, dyamics, etc changes abit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett View Post
    I am sure Ed comes up shit just like the rest of us dork guitarists. You have a riff, you jam it with the band, other parts come from it, blah blah blah. I am sure there is a lot more collaboration than we know of, because that's how most bands work and I'm pretty sure VH for the most part was the exact same way.
    No doubt. All one needs to do is listen to the early demos. Those songs transformed via production input, and collaboration in the studio. Take a piece of this tune, add it to a piece of that tune, add this new part etc..
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