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    .S. Officials Begin Crafting Iran Bombing Plan

    JUST CRAZY....
    Our military forces are strained as it is now between Afgan & Iraq...

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    A recent decision by German officials to withhold support for any new sanctions against Iran has pushed a broad spectrum of officials in Washington to develop potential scenarios for a military attack on the Islamic regime, FOX News confirmed Tuesday.

    Germany — a pivotal player among three European nations to rein in Iran's nuclear program over the last two-and-a-half years through a mixture of diplomacy and sanctions supported by the United States — notified its allies last week that the government of Chancellor Angela Merkel refuses to support the imposition of any further sanctions against Iran that could be imposed by the U.N. Security Council.

    The announcement was made at a meeting in Berlin that brought German officials together with Iran desk officers from the five member states of the Security Council. It stunned the room, according to one of several Bush administration and foreign government sources who spoke to FOX News, and left most Bush administration principals concluding that sanctions are dead.

    The Germans voiced concern about the damaging effects any further sanctions on Iran would have on the German economy — and also, according to diplomats from other countries, gave the distinct impression that they would privately welcome, while publicly protesting, an American bombing campaign against Iran's nuclear facilities.

    Germany's withdrawal from the allied diplomatic offensive is the latest consensus across relevant U.S. agencies and offices, including the State Department, the National Security Council and the offices of the president and vice president. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns, the most ardent proponent of a diplomatic resolution to the problem of Iran's nuclear ambitions, has had his chance on the Iranian account and come up empty.

    Political and military officers, as well as weapons of mass destruction specialists at the State Department, are now advising Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that the diplomatic approach favored by Burns has failed and the administration must actively prepare for military intervention of some kind. Among those advising Rice along these lines are John Rood, the assistant secretary for the Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation; and a number of Mideast experts, including Ambassador James Jeffrey, deputy White House national security adviser under Stephen Hadley and formerly the principal deputy assistant secretary for Near Eastern affairs.

    Consequently, according to a well-placed Bush administration source, "everyone in town" is now participating in a broad discussion about the costs and benefits of military action against Iran, with the likely timeframe for any such course of action being over the next eight to 10 months, after the presidential primaries have probably been decided, but well before the November 2008 elections.

    The discussions are now focused on two basic options: less invasive scenarios under which the U.S. might blockade Iranian imports of gasoline or exports of oil, actions generally thought to exact too high a cost on the Iranian people but not enough on the regime in Tehran; and full-scale aerial bombardment.

    On the latter course, active consideration is being given as to how long it would take to degrade Iranian air defenses before American air superiority could be established and U.S. fighter jets could then begin a systematic attack on Iran's known nuclear targets.

    Most relevant parties have concluded such a comprehensive attack plan would require at least a week of sustained bombing runs, and would at best set the Iranian nuclear program back a number of years — but not destroy it forever. Other considerations include the likelihood of Iranian reprisals against Tel Aviv and other Israeli population centers; and the effects on American troops in Iraq. There, officials have concluded that the Iranians are unlikely to do much more damage than they already have been able to inflict through their supply of explosives and training of insurgents in Iraq.

    The Bush administration "has just about had it with Iran," said one foreign diplomat. "They tried the diplomatic process. China is now obstructing them at the U.N. Security Council and the Russians are tucking themselves behind them.

    "The Germans are wobbling …There are a number of people in the administration who do not want their legacy to be leaving behind an Iran that is nuclear armed, so they are looking at what are the alternatives? They are looking at other options," the diplomat said.

    Vice President Cheney and his aides are said to be enjoying a bit of "schadenfreude" at the expense of Burns. A source described Cheney's office as effectively gloating to Burns and Rice, "We told you so. (The Iranians) are not containable diplomatically."

    The next shoe to drop will be when Rice and President Bush make a final decision about whether to designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and/or its lethal subset, the Quds Force, as a terrorist entity or entities. FOX News reported in June that such a move is under consideration.

    Sources say news leaks about the prospective designation greatly worried European governments and private sector firms, which could theoretically face prosecution in American courts if such measures became law and these entities continued to do business with IRGC and its multiple financial subsidiaries.

    If the Bush administration moves forward with such a designation, sources said, it would be an indication that Rice agrees that Burns' approach has failed. Designation of such a large Iranian military institution as a terrorist entity would also be seen, sources said, as laying the groundwork for a public justification of American military action.
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    I hate to say I told you so, but.........
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    It just keeps getting better. If Iran responds by attacking Israel, watch out.

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    Putin loves this kind of quandry.

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    Hmmm... So is Iran where the 30,000 troops are going to go, once they are pulled out of Iraq by next summer?

    What a mess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    I hate to say I told you so, but.........
    Even though I railed on you in the other thread; I was with you on this one. When my brother told me that he wasn't going to "TQ" as previously thought and was going "further west," it was all but solidified in my mind that an Iranian attack was being planned.

    Not to add insult to injury on this one DIF, OFOTD, etc., but FORD was right and not wearing the tin foil hat while watching the black helimacopters...

    In this instance; how would you like your crow??? Sorry, it killed me to say it. It really did.
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    has anyone never thought iraq was simply the stepping stone to iran? scary, yet obvious

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMJ View Post
    has anyone never thought iraq was simply the stepping stone to iran? scary, yet obvious
    Pretty much exactly the way it reads in the PNAC playbook, alright.
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    Yep, take a look at the map. They went to Afhganistan first, then Iraq. They can now go into Iran from both sides...oh boy and Syria borders Turkey and Iraq. One big master plan.

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    Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

    We're not attacking Iran.

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    Yeah, it does seem highly unlikely. The way that certain people go on and on about it makes me question their motives. Do they understand that by creating such a shrill tone, they push people away? Do they understand that by creating the perception that there will be an attack on Iran, they push Iran in directions that make conflict more likely? Probably not. They're generally idiots, and ignorant ones at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrockinmonkeyboy View Post
    Even though I railed on you in the other thread; I was with you on this one. When my brother told me that he wasn't going to "TQ" as previously thought and was going "further west," it was all but solidified in my mind that an Iranian attack was being planned.

    Not to add insult to injury on this one DIF, OFOTD, etc., but FORD was right and not wearing the tin foil hat while watching the black helimacopters...

    In this instance; how would you like your crow??? Sorry, it killed me to say it. It really did.
    Perhaps you should actually wait until it actually happens before you start asking people here to eat crow. You do realize that FORD tosses out allegation after allegation regarding politics on this site and is completely wrong the vast majority of the time, as will ultimately happen with this situation regarding Iran as well (unless Iran does the unthinkable and actually attacks the U.S. homeland).

    The U.S. is not going to attack Iran militarily (especially with ground troops) while Bush is in office, though economic sanctions or something on a similar level (e.g. blockade of Iranian imports of gas or exports of oil) are certainly possible. Putting out the possibility that military action against Iran is possible is just public posturing, as occurred the past six years when countries like Syria, Somalia, and North Korea were also cited as possible targets of U.S. military actions based on reports in the media. On those occasions, reports also claimed their sources as being close to or in the Bush administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delighted Romeo View Post
    (unless Iran does the unthinkable and actually attacks the U.S. homeland).
    Or at least until "someone" makes it LOOK as though they did.....
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    God..... I just heard this clip from the Petraeus hearings today...

    Holy Joe Lieberman was practically BEGGING Petraeus to invade Iran. It was sickening. To his credit, Petraeus didn't take the bait, but that's this week.

    Lieberman and anyone else pushing this shit needs to be tried for TREASON.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Or at least until "someone" makes it LOOK as though they did.....
    I see you only respond to me when the opportunity presents itself for you to post one of your idiotic conspiracy theories.

    To be consistent with your 9/11 conspiracies, do you think the Iranian government, including Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, would willingly take blame/responsibility for a future BCE-executed attack on the U.S., like you claim al-Qaeda (and, by linkage, the Taliban as their supporter and host in Afghanistan) did regarding the 9/11 attacks, too?!? Or would the Iranian government publicly claim they didn't do it, as any government actually innocent of an attack would be expected to do?!?

    After all, you're claiming that al-Qaeda didn't carry out the 9/11 attacks. However, instead of publicly claiming their innocence at any time over the past six years (they've actually proudly taken credit for it on many occasions), al-Qaeda took the blame/responsibility and thus lost their relatively safe sanctuary in Afghanistan (when the Taliban lost control of the government) following the U.S.-led war on the country in 2001. That's a big price to pay for something you didn't actually do, isn't it?!? Are you saying Ahmadinejad and the rest of the Iranian government would allow that to happen, too?!?
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