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    Default This is a serious question for guitarists here...

    Considering how EVH is always looking forward (musically), how long do you think it would have taken him to "relearn" the 20-25 songs that were picked for this tour, to a level of proficiency where he could perform them effortlessly on tour?

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    Well, I haven't played guitar in a long time, so I don't qualify there. Didn't Dave say they have been rehearsing since last November (minus the rehab thing)? It would seem to me that they are having a hard time gelling as a unit, or there are personal issues still. No idea, but I hope they get it together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikelong View Post
    Considering how EVH is always looking forward (musically), how long do you think it would have taken him to "relearn" the 20-25 songs that were picked for this tour, to a level of proficiency where he could perform them effortlessly on tour?
    Ed has always said guitar is like riding a bicycle for him. So based on that I think it shouldn't take him that long to remember the old licks. If you think about it, most of the DLR stuff are very similiar chords, and his solo's for the most part were very quick. I never saw them live with DLR, so I don't know how much "Jamming" they do live, but what is the average CVH song? 3 and a half minutes or so?

    I'd say to relearn something like the intro to little guitars might be something that takes a while, but for example, beautiful girls, he plays it once, and I would thing the grove should come back to him real quick. A month of actual jamming with the band, should be plenty???? He's frigin Eddie Van Halen!!
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    Well, they're his songs and he's had nuthin but time on his hands lately...
    He's been in the shed so long he should be twice as good as he ever was,
    but somehow I expect he might be half as good as he once was, cause
    face it, he just ain't that hungry any more. Not for music anyways.

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    You have to take in to consideration the amount of damage his brain and body have taken due to drug/alcohol abuse of recent years. I think it is a good assumption that Eddie's guitar playing got at it's all time worse after the '04 tour when he seemed to be drunk most of the day, every day. Eddie Van Halen of old would have never sounded like he did with the porn tracks and that NAMM showing...even just noodling around he sounded better in the old days than those porn tracks. Now, I remember Eddie saying it took him a few times to nail the opening riff to I'm The One for the III tour. Now, I imagine it will have taken him longer to re-learn the songs that he has always played (Panama, Jump and YRGM) plus he's gotta re-learn some songs he hasn't played live in front of an audience while jumping around etc with a .. for decades! He might be sober, but the brain is still fucked up from the abuse.
    They need DLR to sell this tour. He probably sold a lot of people on this tour just by his witty little press conference BS. Alex and Eddie probably patted each others backs on the way home because they didn't have to say anything about anything. This is a new band because they can't play or sound like they used too. The only thing that will be a constant is Alex Van Halens drums...that is it! Eddie will not sound like he did in 84 to people that have any type of memory of what he sounded like (or what he SHOULD sound like). The bass will not sound the same and the vocals are going to be a disapointment.

    People are paying big bucks to see DLR with Eddie and Alex. I hope a miracle happens and they pull it off to the fans standards. I really do!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistere View Post
    Well, they're his songs and he's had nuthin but time on his hands lately...
    He's been in the shed so long he should be twice as good as he ever was,
    but somehow I expect he might be half as good as he once was, cause
    face it, he just ain't that hungry any more. Not for music anyways.
    I still can't believe how fucked up they've let this thing get regarding Mikey...anyhow, Mistere is right that Eddie isn't as hungry as he once was. I don't blame him for that - I remember Steve Lukather defending Eddie, talking about how much harder it gets when you get older (not so much in terms of technique, but the well of songrwiting within - there's always been so much pressure on Eddie to continue innovating with the instrument, when I can't think of too many guitar players, if any, who have done as much as he has for the instrument. I just wish he had the thirst for songwriting/shredding that he used to have).

    Also, agree with some people that his mental state isn't definitely what it was in 1995 - now noone's outlook doesn't evolve a little bit, but Eddie doesn't come off as warm or hungry as he used to be. This is all assuming that Eddie either stays sober, or cuts the drinking way down before the tour/during the tour. Unless it's some shit like I'm the One, Bottoms Up, Drop Dead Legs, etc., I don't think it would take him more than a few days, if that (hopefully assuming he wants these songs to actually resemble what blasted off of those first six records). I think if he really gauges his tone and phrasing right, he could sound and play as good as he did on the Balance Tour/III Tour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikelong View Post
    Considering how EVH is always looking forward (musically), how long do you think it would have taken him to "relearn" the 20-25 songs that were picked for this tour, to a level of proficiency where he could perform them effortlessly on tour?
    They have played most of those songs at sound check, durring the Sammy era, and Gary tour! I've been to the sound checks, and watched the boys start and stop mid song like pressing pause on a cd player! Truely an awsome sight! the only problem was they didn't always play those songs durring the show!
    I can tell you if Ed is sober than we are in for a treat!!!!
    Wolfie is going to kick ass!

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    I know nothing about guitar, but my feeling has been that the songs are not going to sound exactally like we remember them, but they will still have a certain edge to them that defines this new version of VH.

    Vocals included.

    Kinda why I'd rather have new music instead of a re-hash tour.
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    The answer to your question is difficult. Technically, if Ed put his mind to it, the months they've been rehearsing should be sufficient, but I think there is a little more to it, and I want to piggyback off of a few other comments here to make my point.

    The one thing that was unique about Eddie was the special touch he had playing relatively simple musical pieces. Brett mentioned in some thread a while ago about ATBL only being two chords, yet listen to how unbelievably interesting it is. Ed had an uncanny and special way of taking the simplest things and making them sound so amazing.

    Add his technical innovation, explosive energy and tasteful ripping to the subtleties in his playing and you get a once and a lifetime guitar player. This is why people still talk about Edward in the same breath as other guitar players who have much a cleaner and expansive encyclopedia of chops than Ed.

    However, this was back when you can tell Ed loved his intrument more than anything. I learned to love my instrument through seeing how Ed loved his (keep the phallic symbols out of your head dammit!). It is unmistakable in someone's playing when it is there.

    However, Ed doesn't seem to love much of anything right now. Years of boozing and anesthetizing his emotions have led to a very confused and bitter dude. I'll wait to make a final judgment, but even a sober Ed on this tour can be but a shadow of his former self if he doesn't find that love inside of him that'll free him to do a lot more than just be a killer guitar player.

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    For Eddie at that age, it must be like when Rocky Balboa is getting ready to make that comeback in the last one and he's old and his manager is runnin' it down for him

    "you need speed, you ain't got it
    you got calcium deposits on most of your joints so sparing is out
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    Let's start buildin' some hurtin' bombs"

    but applied to Eddie
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    I'm no Eddie Van Halen, but I have been a regularly gigging guitar player for over 30 years. I would say that they probably played most the stuff of you will hear in the show in the first afternoon they got together. What out of 40 - 50 songs maybe that were the Dave era, you know there are only about 25 that are in serious consideration, - the hits, the biggies and the minor biggies. Ed has been defined by these for his entire adult life. He wakes up in cold screaming nightmares playing the intro to Mean Street, Eruption, Cathedral...

    Besides I imagine Ed has been playing these songs with Wolfie to get him up to speed for a few years no doubt.

    If anything, his equipment has evolved to where it may sound a little more like Sam era Ed playing the early stuff with Dave honking along like a remnant of his old self, and why not - they are remnants of them old selves. As fired up as they want to be about the 'threeunion' I don't think you will hear a whole heck of a lot of difference if I played you a Dave band boot from a year ago and a boot from the upcoming tour side by side.

    I think you may see a few surprises like Girl Gone Bad, I'll Wait, or Hear About It Later that he may have to give a listen second to, but for the most part what they are doing at this point is getting the stage show together - lighting cues, timing, equipment changes, making sure the songs pace well and flow, and for the most part - building up the fat kids stamina to handle bringing it every night for four months straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampash View Post
    IAs fired up as they want to be about the 'threeunion' I don't think you will hear a whole heck of a lot of difference if I played you a Dave band boot from a year ago and a boot from the upcoming tour side by side.
    I disagree with this 100%. They're going to sound like VAN HALEN. DLR band was good, but they don't have what VH has.

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    I don't think Eddie would have much of a problem learning the songs. In 2004 even though he butchered some Sammy songs, he very rarely played the CVH in the same manner. For whatever reason he was much more dialed in for those songs and we all know that he was dialed into the Loon.

    Even if he had forgotten some songs, Dave just needs to call B Young up to show Eddie. If he is busy, Wolfgang can download some tabs off of UltimateGuitar.com

    Heck today at band practice I remembered how to play Shine by Collective Soul and I don't think I have played that since 1996.

 

 

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