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    Is .05% on the horizon?; According to some, "If .08% is good, .05% is better. That's where we're headed, it doesn't mean that we should get there all at once. But ultimately it should be .02%."
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    I'm all for responsible driving and yeah I think people who get behind the wheel totally slammed on booze are stupid, arrogant, and blatently criminal, but the suggestion that the Legal BAC level should someday by .02% is ridiculous!!!

    If the law ever reached that point, do you realize many people would be legally drunk leaving a bar, after only having 1 or 2 beers! C'Mon!
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    Seems like the pendulum keeps moving towards the side of safety. I do think there needs to be a limit but if you can't have a beer or two because you might be "legally" drunk is not right.
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    I'm all for safer driving, but if there are any other changes to the law, there needs to be ALOT more readily accessable public transportation to people. For example, the BART train up here stops running before 1 AM and the MUNI (busses and trains and cable cars) runs on a limited schedule late night. Unless some of these things change, then it doesn't seem like everything that can be done, is being done.
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    It's gotten to the point where we don't really go out that much at all. Instead, we've tried to make our place a good destination - pool table, darts, all the comforts of a bar, and plenty of beds for people who need to crash for the night. I don't think Arizona is any worse than any other state in DUI laws, but there's no need to get hammered and drive here. Some cab companies even have a free drive back - you pay for the drive home, and they will give you a ride back to the bar to get your car the next day for free. Sounds pretty good to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onefootoutthedoor View Post
    I'm all for safer driving, but if there are any other changes to the law, there needs to be ALOT more readily accessable public transportation to people. For example, the BART train up here stops running before 1 AM and the MUNI (busses and trains and cable cars) runs on a limited schedule late night. Unless some of these things change, then it doesn't seem like everything that can be done, is being done.

    Then we'll see a jump in Public Intoxication arrests...

    Officials Make Public Intoxication Arrests Inside Bars
    IRVING, Texas -- The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission has taken its fight against drunken driving to a new level. TABC agents, along with Irving police, targeted 36 bars and clubs Friday, arresting some allegedly intoxicated patrons before they departed the businesses.

    The officers and agents also kept watch on bartenders who might have over-served patrons.

    Agents arrested 30 people Friday night. Most of the suspects now face charges of public intoxication.

    The agents and Irving police officers traveled from bar to bar and worked undercover, according to an NBC 5 report.

    The report also said that some agents shared tables with suspected drunken patrons. Some patrons were subjected to field sobriety tests inside bars.

    Agents and officers said the operation represented an effort to reduce drunken driving.

    Sgt. Chris Hamilton, of the TABC, said some inebriated bar patrons "end up killing themselves or someone else" after departing the businesses.
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    i don't drink all that often so this doesn't matter all that much to me. If this is a problem I'd prefer they keep the limit as is and increase the penalities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onefootoutthedoor View Post
    I'm all for safer driving, but if there are any other changes to the law, there needs to be ALOT more readily accessable public transportation to people. For example, the BART train up here stops running before 1 AM and the MUNI (busses and trains and cable cars) runs on a limited schedule late night. Unless some of these things change, then it doesn't seem like everything that can be done, is being done.
    That's true, and makes sense. The opposite would be the crack downs by several municipalities arresting folk that are using hotel bars while staying at the hotel and finding themselves under arrest.

    Rather than arresting folk for making at least an effort toward responsibility, why not go out, do some actual police work and get some of these drunken assholes that are in absolutely NO condition to walk, yet feel the need to drive home after a night of partying BEFORE they get behind the wheel and kill somebody?

    Or...

    Several cab companies and tow truck outfits in southern Florida provide services free of charge during the end of the year holidays. For a nominal fee, this practice chould be continued throught the entire year, possibly underwritten by alcohol manufacturers and the actual establishments themselves, without a single penny coming from tax payers.

    There simply has to be a better alternative than making it easier to arrest folk. This has not proven to be much of a deterrent in the past, has it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by voivod View Post
    Then we'll see a jump in Public Intoxication arrests...

    Officials Make Public Intoxication Arrests Inside Bars
    IRVING, Texas -- The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission has taken its fight against drunken driving to a new level. TABC agents, along with Irving police, targeted 36 bars and clubs Friday, arresting some allegedly intoxicated patrons before they departed the businesses.

    The officers and agents also kept watch on bartenders who might have over-served patrons.

    Agents arrested 30 people Friday night. Most of the suspects now face charges of public intoxication.

    The agents and Irving police officers traveled from bar to bar and worked undercover, according to an NBC 5 report.

    The report also said that some agents shared tables with suspected drunken patrons. Some patrons were subjected to field sobriety tests inside bars.

    Agents and officers said the operation represented an effort to reduce drunken driving.

    Sgt. Chris Hamilton, of the TABC, said some inebriated bar patrons "end up killing themselves or someone else" after departing the businesses.


    Understood. However, these arrests were made to curb drunk driving. All I was trying to point out was that if there were real, viable and practical means of alternate transit, then people would not be as inclined to drive drunk.
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    Dunno where the quote from the Chairman is from - didn't see it on the site.
    DAMM is actually against this obvious kind of revenue extortion from Joe
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    I think .08 as it currently is in CA is about right. Even though I was bitten
    by the rule, it was only fair. At point 9, I really shouldn't be out there.
    That said, I can outdrive any of you sober after 2 beers.
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    The report also said that some agents shared tables with suspected drunken patrons. Some patrons were subjected to field sobriety tests inside bars.
    fuck that. unless it's some chick, no one i don't know sits at my table.
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    That is insane. I'm all about safe driving, but .02?
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    Quote Originally Posted by onefootoutthedoor View Post
    Understood. However, these arrests were made to curb drunk driving. All I was trying to point out was that if there were real, viable and practical means of alternate transit, then people would not be as inclined to drive drunk.
    Oh, I understand what you meant - I was only pointing out an instance where The Police State of America will arrest you for just being intoxicated...

    Who knows if any of these people lived down the street and walked to the bar, or were planning on taking a taxi home... They were arrested for clearly being drunk, under the Public Intoxication law... What if you realised, WHOA I can't drive, I'm going to call a taxi... BAMM, now your cuffed and stuffed for being just drunk...

    Next step: Warrantless visits to your home to see if you're drunk, since -- after all -- you might get in your car and drive somewhere before you sober up.
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    .02%? You wouldn't even be able to smell a beer.
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