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    Default DLR's Crucial Mistakes in Marketing ALAE

    I always thought that Dave made a huge error in judgment in his choice of singles released from ALAE- "A Lil Aint Enough," "Sensible Shoes," and "Tell the Truth." What if he had released "It's Showtime!" first, followed by "Drop in the Bucket" instead? That would've been more ambitious, in-your-face, classic VH/DLR. Although I like the contrast between the first three songs mentioned- hard rock to harmonica blues to ballad (for the same reasons that I appreciate the 1984-86 contrast/versatility between "Jump," "Just a Gigolo," and "Shyboy")- "It's Showtime!" and "Drop in the Bucket" are the two songs on ALAE that possess that raw energy that Dave should've lobbied for to be released.

    Does anyone know if Dave was pressured to release the first three songs instead of the latter two on ALAE? And incidentally, why were two of the best songs (Showtime!; DITB) on ALAE the last two tracks on the record? It was almost as if those two songs were hiding, used as filler or afterthoughts, which barely made the cut.

    I speculate that the record company execs were not pleased with poor record sales from Dave's previous release, "Skyscraper," and the poor choice of singles released from that record- "Just Like Paradise" and worse yet, "Stand Up." So after Skyscraper flopped, the record execs took more control and told Dave which songs to release on ALAE.

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    His BIGest mistake was releasing an album with lame tunes, the exceptions being the title track and "Its Showtime"......the latter song being a Van Halen wannabe, which did rock out.
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    this album, although i bought it in the cutout bin back in the mid 90s, is the one i play most from dave. the high production values brought on by using bob rock really make dave sound great, plus there's some amazing guitar work from becker and hunter.....people like to make fun of this album but i love it.

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    I agree with his first single being the title track. I still like that song. Drop In The Bucket should have been released. I always loved that tune but the main problem I have with the cd is that it could have been trimmed down from the 12 songs he has there.

    Why nobody decided to cut out the Walk This Way rip-off Last Call is beyond me. Shoot It is a hideous song in my opinion and I could have done without Lady Luck. I think Sensible Shoes and Tell The Truth are cool songs so I can't bang on him for that.
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    There's certainly a big stylistic difference between A Little Ain't Enough (song and video) and the following two singles; I'm not even sure there's a video for Tell The Truth but he looked really low key when he performed it on Letterman.

    Given the changes in the music industry in the early 90's, it's not unreasonable to think that somebody figured that the big rock/big star look and sound of the first single was out of step with the times. So they tried to go for darker songs and video with the rest of the singles.

    There probably isn't anything that would have saved Dave's declining sales at that point in his career though. He did a great job of attaching himself to the eighties era of big big and big. Hell, many would say that Dave was in the vanguard of a lot of the aspects of that era.

    I think Dave's problem was not sensing earlier that the tide was going to shift. I think Skyscraper is a disaster in nearly every sense. If Dave had stripped everything down one album earlier, could he have had better success into the nineties?

    At some point, Dave had to prove to people that there was more there than the image. I think he proved that with ALAE, but by then nobody cared. There were still enough people who cared in 1988, so had he put together a stripped down hard rock album at that time, so many good things could have happened. For example, his band almost surely would have stayed together. Also, he could have done a decent job of shifting his visual image to allow for the receding hairline. To back this up, Dave looks cooler now than he did 19 years ago!

    All of which is odd for me to say, because of two things. One, despite everything being WAY too over the top with Skyscraper, I think Just Like Paradise is a great song for Dave. And odder still, I think ALAE is Dave's masterpiece. And it wouldn't have happened with Sheehan and Vai doing what they do.

    If Dave had put his technicolor dreams to bed with Eat 'Em and Smile, sounded and looked more earthy (read, less ridiculous) with Skyscraper, A Little Ain't Enough might have done a lot better just the way it is.

    Have the title song the same, but with a video that doesn't scream "1985". From there go wherever you want. Personally I'd have dropped Sensible Shoes; it's a good album track, but Tell the Truth is way better. And I would have made a dark, night time video for the best song on the album, The Dogtown Shuffle.

    And I definitely wouldn't have used It's Showtime because it's just trying too hard to be a Van Halen song. And it's just not that good.

    I could see using Drop In the Bucket. A good song, not great, but unique sounding for Dave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    I'm not even sure there's a video for Tell The Truth
    There is, but it's pretty hard to find. It was on YouTube for a while, but some corporatist jackass made them pull it.
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    I love CVH, and I really loved EEAS, but I only kinda liked Skyscraper, but when I heard that "Boom chugga Boom chugga" at the beginning of the title track and then saw them doing that stupid hip-dance in the video then I knew it was over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    There is, but it's pretty hard to find. It was on YouTube for a while, but some corporatist jackass made them pull it.
    I've got it here, from a VHS copy. I'll try and get it back up when I get a chance.
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    'ere we go. Not a great vid, just some black and white footage of Dave with a fancy new hat, and some footage from the tour .

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    First of all, ALAE is a very solid rock album. Anyone saying anything different is a pansy whose musical interests I could dissect as hypocritically deficient in about five seconds...

    And as for the topic of the thread, Dave's only "fatal" mistake on the album was to feature a guitarist/composer prodigy with a career ending and potentially fatal disease. But then again, he couldn't control that. Could he? What would have been if Jason Becker had stayed well? I think he's have been releasing viable new material until recently. Or, if Randy Rhodes had not died, I think there's speculation that they'd have hooked up. Who knows?

    And while I'll be the first to say that Dave has made a lot of really bad decisions professionally in his life, he's also had a tremendous run of bad luck, starting with the release of "Pretty Woman" in 1981-82.
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    Dave's big career mistake was Skyscraper(BOO!), not ALAE. ALAE is a solid album, nothing classic, but it might have Dave's best vocal melodies from his solo work, it's just that no matter who Dave got as his backing band he wasn't going to find anybody better than VH. I find myself quite often thinking of how much better a Dave solo (or Sam solo for that matter) song would be if it had been written and performed with Ed and Company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    Dave's big career mistake was Skyscraper(BOO!), not ALAE. ALAE is a solid album, nothing classic, but it might have Dave's best vocal melodies from his solo work, it's just that no matter who Dave got as his backing band he wasn't going to find anybody better than VH. I find myself quite often thinking of how much better a Dave solo (or Sam solo for that matter) song would be if it had been written and performed with Ed and Company.
    Man, that is the truth! I was thinking the same thing. Though I always wonder what Dave would have done with the harder tunes from 5150 too.

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    I know I will get flamed forever for saying this, but I actually like that song! I know, I know, it's a stupid song, but I just can't help it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goo View Post
    'ere we go. Not a great vid, just some black and white footage of Dave with a fancy new hat, and some footage from the tour .

    Good song and vid...I hope Dave still has some songwriting like this left in him.
    Lets just throw a pound of weed in the fire place, f@#% it!

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