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    Default VH Stayed Relevant From 1978-1995

    Long after most hard rock groups were dead in the water VH was still cranking out new material, albums that hit #1 and heavy air play of their new songs (Balance 1995). Most Van Hagar fans were pretty pumped after Humans Being. How long do you think they could have kept it going had they stayed the course with Sammy? When I say kept it going, I mean selling over 1 million copies, at or near #1 and heavy radio air play?

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    Couple hours or so....

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    Quote Originally Posted by muffdiver View Post
    Couple hours or so....
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    "After three decades you still don't get the fact that VH the band was greater than the sum of all of its parts -- and those parts fit perfectly together, especially in the CVH lineup." - Delighted Romeo, Hit the nail right on the God Damn Head!!!

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    While the Balance numbers were decent, and the reviews were good, I think the writing started to appear on the wall. It's clear that Van Halen didn't pay enough attention to the rest of the world, including Europe. Successful bands kept doing that - see Bon Jovi. Still a hard rock album doing multi-platinum numbers during the throws of grunge is pretty fucking unbelievable.

    From a musical standpoint, I think the band Van Halen was looking for ways to reinvent themselves. They felt the normal pressures of any band, but ultimately it led to their demise. (Most of the next info gathered from Sam's book and what I've read here) I think Ed was tired of the tunes about pussy and drugs. He wanted a more mature approach...Sam was interested in making changes sonically, like new drum beats, etc. I think their next album would have been really interesting. They were onto something with Humans Being.

    But, I'm rambling. I think Van Halen could have done at least two more successful albums with Sammy.
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    Sure there was hope after Humans Being with SH. There also was hope after MWM and CGTSNM with Diamond DLR. Then it all went south with VHIII......when EVH was delusional to believe he was the center and the creator of the universe.

    VH could have continued being successful with SH and Diamond DLR only if EVH stayed healthy, was of sound mind, and had the creativity to produce tunes.

    ME WISE MAGIC was the last one.
    DLR, circa 2001:

    "Hey this is David Lee Roth and I promised you the news and here's the news.

    About a year ago myself and the great Van Halen band played together once or twice and it sounded amazing!

    In the following several months Edward and I, Edward Van Halen and me, David Lee Roth, created some of the most amazing, phenomenal - the hands fell off the clock ladies and gentleman and we wrote three astonishing tunes.

    That was last July (2000) and since then I haven't been up to the studio, we haven't really been in touch and we haven't made any music, but I am holding forth, I'm in the shape of my life and I got the high note - I'm ready to go.

    And I am positive for the future ladies and gentleman.

    Stay tuned and I'll tell you what the future brings..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by muffdiver View Post
    Couple hours or so....
    DLR, circa 2001:

    "Hey this is David Lee Roth and I promised you the news and here's the news.

    About a year ago myself and the great Van Halen band played together once or twice and it sounded amazing!

    In the following several months Edward and I, Edward Van Halen and me, David Lee Roth, created some of the most amazing, phenomenal - the hands fell off the clock ladies and gentleman and we wrote three astonishing tunes.

    That was last July (2000) and since then I haven't been up to the studio, we haven't really been in touch and we haven't made any music, but I am holding forth, I'm in the shape of my life and I got the high note - I'm ready to go.

    And I am positive for the future ladies and gentleman.

    Stay tuned and I'll tell you what the future brings..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by extreme red roth View Post
    I think Ed was tired of the tunes about pussy and drugs. He wanted a more mature approach...Sam was interested in making changes sonically, like new drum beats, etc. I think their next album would have been really interesting. They were onto something with Humans Being. .
    and yet in 2004 we got Up for Breakfast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenninaus View Post
    and yet in 2004 we got Up for Breakfast.

    Glenn
    actually, we're "lucky" we even got that, from what I understand tensions were really bad during the recording of the 04 songs...Sam even admits they kinda sucked casue it just was not working for them.

    If Ed lefler had lived and kept everyone in line VH could have put out a few more good/great records with Sam. As much as people try to rewrite history VH was pretty damn big with Sammy in the band until 95-at least in the US as Extreme Red Roth pointed out. The last tour they did with Sam grossed them something like 55 million-that's the number I remember, if it's wrong I'm sorry but I know they were the 5th highest grossing band of 1995.

    I know Sam presented Leaving the Warmth of the Womb to Eddie for the next VH record, that's a bad ass song. Sam said he had lyrics for Both Sides Now and some for Little White Lie. If you put Van Halen's name on a song like Who Has the Right and relesed it right now it would get alot of airplay cause it's a good song, the only reason it wasn't a hit was because it had Sam's name on it instead of VH's. There were seeds of cool stuff on III it just wasn't explored and used the right way.

    I think VH wold still be in a decent spot right now if they played thier cards right but after the last few years does anyone-except us on this site really care anymore?

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    and yet in 2004 we got Up for Breakfast.

    Glenn

    I think we all agree the 3 songs they did with Sammy sucked but those songs seemed to be thrown together in a rush to get out the latest GH. Big difference if they would have stayed together and released an album every 3 years.

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    Think Eddie has any regrets about not being relevant for the last 10 years? Paul McCartney is selling at age 65, Ozzy is doing well with his new CD. Even the Scorpions and Ted Nugent are giving it a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extreme red roth View Post
    While the Balance numbers were decent, and the reviews were good, I think the writing started to appear on the wall. It's clear that Van Halen didn't pay enough attention to the rest of the world, including Europe. Successful bands kept doing that - see Bon Jovi. Still a hard rock album doing multi-platinum numbers during the throws of grunge is pretty fucking unbelievable.

    From a musical standpoint, I think the band Van Halen was looking for ways to reinvent themselves. They felt the normal pressures of any band, but ultimately it led to their demise. (Most of the next info gathered from Sam's book and what I've read here) I think Ed was tired of the tunes about pussy and drugs. He wanted a more mature approach...Sam was interested in making changes sonically, like new drum beats, etc. I think their next album would have been really interesting. They were onto something with Humans Being.

    But, I'm rambling. I think Van Halen could have done at least two more successful albums with Sammy.
    That's a quote from Sammy's book regarding Bon Jovi and Europe. I think had the band not fucked up they could've stayed relevant to this day. They were writing some of their best music when Hagar got the boot.

 

 

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