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    I've mentioned many times how influential Jann Wenner at Rolling Stone is in getting the groups he wants nominated and into the hall. Now there is a full blown scandal about deceptive vote counting. So if there was ever a question in your mind why Van Halen was not even nominated prior to this year's inductions, this should clear it up. He is a scumbag of the highest order. I would bet he is also responsible for picking the lame choice of Velvet Revolver to do the induction speech. Here ya go:

    Fox's 411 Roger Friedman:

    Rock Hall Voting Scandal: Rock Group Actually Won

    According to sources knowledgeable about the mysterious ways of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation, British Invasion group The Dave Clark Five and not Grandmaster Flash finished fifth in the final voting of the nominating committee and should have been inducted on Monday night.

    According to sources, Rolling Stone publisher Jann Wenner, who recently appointed himself chairman of the Foundation after the death of Ahmet Ertegun, ignored the final voting and chose Grandmaster Flash over the DC5 for this year's ceremony.

    "Jann went back to a previous ballot instead of taking the final vote as the last word," my source insisted. "He used a technicality about the day votes were due in. In reality, The Dave Clark Five got six more votes than Grandmaster Flash. But he felt we couldn't go another year without a rap act."

    R.E.M., Van Halen, The Ronettes and Patti Smith were the top four vote-getters, with Grandmaster Flash finishing fifth when the votes were counted on the first date ballots were due in to the Rock Hall office.

    But when all the ballots were counted a few days later, the DC5 had pulled ahead. Wenner decided to ignore that and stick with the earlier tally.

    "We begged Jann to allow all six acts to be inducted. But he insisted that he couldn't because there wouldn't be enough time," my source said. "He wanted to have Aretha Franklin come and perform in memory of Ahmet Ertegun."

    The Ertegun tribute, while very nice, was deemed unnecessary by members of the main committee because the Atlantic Records co-founder will be memorialized in New York on April 17.

    "But Jann wanted to do his own tribute. It was insane, especially since he took over Ahmet's position on the board before Ahmet even had a memorial. Jann simply sent papers around informing everyone that he was now the chairman," my source said.

    The Dave Clark Five ballot tampering, however, stings the most. The group, part of the British Invasion of the '60s, should have been inducted long ago for their hits like "Glad All Over," "Bits & Pieces" and "Catch Me If You Can." Making them wait has turned out to be a huge mistake, as their fortunes have not been great.

    In December 2006, sax player Denis Payton succumbed to cancer at age 63. Lead singer Mike Smith has been paralyzed since 2003 after falling off a ladder at his home in Spain.

    In August 2005, a terrific fundraising effort for Smith at B.B. King's in New York was supposed to be the prelude to finally recognizing the group that had several memorable hits in the mid-'60s.

    Wenner's cruel axing of them from the show and the Hall of Fame should be painful to many who are intimately involved with the Hall, like Paul Shaffer, who runs the Hall of Fame band and produced and emceed the Smith tribute.

    So what happened here? My sources also say that Wenner's motivation may have sprung from a controversial speech that was delivered by new administrative head Joel Peresman to the nominating committee last winter.

    "He stood up there and told us that we should vote for who we thought would be most commercial, and who be best on the TV show," a source said. "It was outrageous. Some people tried to stop him and asked him to leave, but he wouldn't. He said, 'I'm not leaving.' The director is never supposed to speak to the nominating committee."

    Peresman came to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation last year when Wenner arbitrarily ousted the long-time chief of the group, Suzan Evans Hochberg, after two decades of loyalty.

    "We couldn't believe Jann stood up there last night and said Suzan was retiring. But when the seating plan went crazy the other day, Jann called and begged her to come in and help. Peresman knows nothing about the business," a source said.

    Peresman came to the Foundation from gigs booking shows at Madison Square Garden and with Clear Channel, the radio giant that many feel has strangled the music business with intransigent radio play policies and suggestions — actually, government investigations — of payola.

    In the old days, such a hire would have been considered anathema by Wenner.

    None of this should come as any surprise to those who have followed the roller-coaster world of the Rock Hall. According to the group's most recent tax filing, for example, they gave only $9,000 to indigent musicians from their $11 million in holdings.

    Even worse: Wenner sent a tax-free $10,000 to something called Jazz Casuals in San Francisco. It's really just the archives of Ralph J. Gleason, the late jazz writer who periodically wrote for Rolling Stone in its early days. It was the only donation made by the Foundation to any group last year.

    "Again, outrageous," a source said. "With all of Jann's money, he could have just sent a check. He didn't need to use the Foundation's money."

    By contrast, the Foundation gave only $53,000 to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum in Cleveland. Attorney Allen Grubman's law firm took another $50,000 for legal services rendered. Evans received her usual $300,000 salary. Peresman is said to be receiving even more.

    And then there's the matter of who has left on the nominating committee. I'm told that nearly half the group is gone, leaving 32 members. Many of the remaining members are former or current Wenner employees, like Rolling Stone's Nathan Brackett, David Fricke, Jim Henke, Joe Levy, Brian Keizer and Anthony DeCurtis.

    Jon Landau, Bruce Springsteen's manager and a former Rolling Stone writer, is the chairman of the committee and considered the last truly mediating influence on Wenner.

    There are only three actual musicians: Paul Shaffer, Steven van Zandt and Robbie Robertson. Three are female. One of them is black. There are only two other black members: journalist Toure and Reginald C. Dennis

    Wenner, I'm told, "weeded out everyone he didn't like." He even got rid of the veteran New York Post and Vanity Fair writer Lisa Robinson.

    Wenner almost bumped Claudia Perry, a Newark Star Ledger sports writer and former pop music critic. After a scuffle, she managed to hang on, which was good news. As a black woman she fulfilled two minorities on the board (Edna Gundersen and Elyssa Gardner of USA Today are the other females).

    "This is the opposite of what Ahmet would have wanted," a source said. "He liked a big committee that reflected lots of different tastes."

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    from what i've heard, Suzan Evans isn't the saint she's made out to be either.

    i'll have to poke around and see if there's anything local about this.
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    so it's whatever this guy thinks... what a crock of sh*t!
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    Ohhhhhh kharma is a bitch isn't it Jann? That's what you get for screwing with Van Halen and their fans.
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    There was another thread about the motives behind Van Halen getting into the hall this year. This, to me, is one of the most telling comments:

    "He stood up there and told us that we should vote for who we thought would be most commercial, and who be best on the TV show," a source said. "It was outrageous. Some people tried to stop him and asked him to leave, but he wouldn't. He said, 'I'm not leaving.' The director is never supposed to speak to the nominating committee."

    Maybe this would explain the dismal speech and performance given by VR since VH themselves did not show. They could have been instructed to do so. It's a scandal beyond even the voting controversy in my mind. What other motive could there be behind VR's piss poor performance?

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    I've always thought Jann Wenner was an asshole, this just confirms it!

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    Yeah no shit. DC5 definitely deserved it over that rap guy/group.

    Didn't have enough time???? OMG they had TOO MUCH time!!

    They need to get rid of that guy or restructure the whole thing. Figures the one year that VH got the votes that the show would suck.
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    There you go folks.

    Don't rag on Dave for not showing up.

    I'm sure dealing with an asshole like Jann was bad enough.

    Remember Dave's quote? "It was a TV producer's decision."

    Looks like it was Jann's.
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    "But he felt we couldn't go another year without a rap act."


    DC5 was brought to me by my father and his generation. The songs mentioned strike a note inside me. I've probably heard them more from him than on the radio. That's rock n roll.

    one question. what in fuck does rap have to do with any of this?

    Rap? well let's honor Crystal fuckin Gale while we're at it folks... and then throw in some ballet for good measure. That's it. RAP, Country and some dance would go nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    There you go folks.

    Don't rag on Dave for not showing up.

    I'm sure dealing with an asshole like Jann was bad enough.

    Remember Dave's quote? "It was a TV producer's decision."

    Looks like it was Jann's.
    Eso. Dave dodged a bullet.

    I would imagine that Vedder's not feeling real good about this shit. Anyone who avoids this bunch past, present and future has simply dodged a serious bullet in my mind. Be careful out there. "Not everything that glitters is gold."

    The hall is a bad scene.
    If eddie were down and out on a sidewalk playing guitar I'd be next to him with a bottle and a blanky braving the cold. I would be sucking my thumb happily making chupa chupa noises in sync with the petroglyphic sounds that came from the mighty finger tips of Edward Van Halen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vistadelrey View Post
    Rap? well let's honor Crystal fuckin Gale while we're at it folks... and then throw in some ballet for good measure. That's it. RAP, Country and some dance would go nice.
    Well, ya know, Crystal Gayle does have great hair.

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    Wenner can be blamed directly for the watering down of inductees. While you might not be a fan of Patti Smith, you can see where she would have been an innovator and influence on future generations of punk/rock. Grandmaster Flash is another genre of music entirely. If you want to induct rap musicians, that's cool. You simply need to rename the Hall "Jann Wenner's Personal Favorites/Commercial Success Stories Hall of Fame".

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    in a semi-related note...the Plain Dealer ran this article over the weekend. does hip-hop belong in the RRHOF?

    http://www.cleveland.com/rockhall/pl...330.xml&coll=2
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