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    Default Why was'nt Mick Jones credited on "Dreams"

    This has always had me baffled. Mick Jones has said in interviews that he helped write most of "Dreams" though he was'nt credited for it. But on "I'll wait" Michael McDonald from The Doobir brothers is credited. Does anyone know why this was never addressed? Perhaps when "5150" is ever remasered they might add Mick Jones to the lyrics credits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dont disturb my Paradise View Post
    This has always had me baffled. Mick Jones has said in interviews that he helped write most of "Dreams" though he was'nt credited for it. But on "I'll wait" Michael McDonald from The Doobir brothers is credited. Does anyone know why this was never addressed? Perhaps when "5150" is ever remasered they might add Mick Jones to the lyrics credits.
    It was my understanding he just re-arranged the parts Eddie had written and helped coach Sammy on the vocal part. One way or the other, he was heavily involved in the construction of the song. But if he didn't actually write the chord progression or melody, then he is technically not a co-writer.

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    I remember Michael McD wasn't given credit on "I'll Wait" until Best Of Vol. 1 came out. Why was that? Did he actually write the song with the guys, or was e thinking of suing them? Does "I'll Wait" sound like any Doobies or solo song of his? I've always wondered.

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    Speaking of Mick Jones....

    The Only people who put Iced Tea in Jack Daniels Bottles is The Clash babbbbay!

    Speaking of which, rather odd he would help on that song, It sounds more like a Journey song, than a Clash or a Van Halen song for that matter.
    Quote Originally Posted by POJO_Risin on a Hagar fan calling Us Roth Fans Mullet Freaks.
    As opposed to riding a scooter, with an afro-wig and rainbow, Capri golf-pants?
    Dude, David Lee Roth IS VAN HALEN!

    The Only people Who Put Iced Tea In Jack Daniels Bottles are SAMMY HAGAR FANS BABY!


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    Mick knows as well as anyone else that you can't be in two bands at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mars View Post
    Mick knows as well as anyone else that you can't be in two bands at the same time.
    Thank you, Edward. We have a new quote that will be around for a long time. It has joined the ranks of the "ten albums' worth of material" infamous quote from a few years back.

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    Mick Jones is from foreigner, I don't get the clash reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewThomas.net View Post
    It was my understanding he just re-arranged the parts Eddie had written and helped coach Sammy on the vocal part. One way or the other, he was heavily involved in the construction of the song. But if he didn't actually write the chord progression or melody, then he is technically not a co-writer.
    While everything you posted is correct AT, i will add this. Taken from Guitar Legends #71

    EVH: "Now, it's in our contract that Warner Bros. has the right to refuse producers. I wanted the band to do it by ourselves with Donn,and they said
    " NO. " So what we did was,we went ahead and did the whole record anyway,
    and then brought Mick in and had him kind of oversee it. But i think Warner knows now that i'm not the flake that i've been reputed to be."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewThomas.net View Post
    It was my understanding he just re-arranged the parts Eddie had written and helped coach Sammy on the vocal part. One way or the other, he was heavily involved in the construction of the song. But if he didn't actually write the chord progression or melody, then he is technically not a co-writer.
    Actually you can't copyright a chord progression. There are a gazillion chord progressions that are identical. Registering a copyright covers lyrics and melody only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RcoasterA View Post
    Mick Jones is from foreigner, I don't get the clash reference.
    And you call yourself a VAN HALEN fan.
    ALEX IS GOD!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HanValen View Post
    Actually you can't copyright a chord progression. There are a gazillion chord progressions that are identical. Registering a copyright covers lyrics and melody only.
    True. But a melody (not just sung) within or amongst a chord progression is considered for writing credit.

    Man, the writer of the I, vi, IV, V would've cleaned up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hagarfn View Post
    While everything you posted is correct AT, i will add this. Taken from Guitar Legends #71

    EVH: "Now, it's in our contract that Warner Bros. has the right to refuse producers. I wanted the band to do it by ourselves with Donn,and they said
    " NO. " So what we did was,we went ahead and did the whole record anyway,
    and then brought Mick in and had him kind of oversee it. But i think Warner knows now that i'm not the flake that i've been reputed to be."
    I read those same comments back in the day, and Eddie was exaggerating the size of his unit a little. True, the band did a lot of 5150 on their own, but "Dreams" was not yet completed when Mick came on board, thus he ended up having a big part in its arrangement and performances (coaching, that is). Eddie spoke of Mick's work in coaching Sammy in other interviews.

 

 

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