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    By JAKE TAPPER (ABC News)

    Feb. 26, 2007 — Back home in Tennessee, safely ensconced in his suburban Nashville home, Vice President Al Gore is no doubt basking in the Oscar awarded to "An Inconvenient Truth," the documentary he inspired and in which he starred. But a local free-market think tank is trying to make that very home emblematic of what it deems Gore's environmental hypocrisy.

    Armed with Gore's utility bills for the last two years, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research charged Monday that the gas and electric bills for the former vice president's 20-room home and pool house devoured nearly 221,000 kilowatt-hours in 2006, more than 20 times the national average of 10,656 kilowatt-hours.

    "If this were any other person with $30,000-a-year in utility bills, I wouldn't care," says the Center's 27-year-old president, Drew Johnson. "But he tells other people how to live and he's not following his own rules."

    Kalee Kreider, a spokesperson for the Gores, did not dispute the Center's figures, taken as they were from public records. But she pointed out that both Al and Tipper Gore work out of their home and she argued that "the bottom line is that every family has a different carbon footprint. And what Vice President Gore has asked is for families to calculate that footprint and take steps to reduce and offset it."

    A carbon footprint is a calculation of the CO2 fossil fuel emissions each person is responsible for, either directly because of his or her transportation and energy consumption or indirectly because of the manufacture and eventual breakdown of products he or she uses.

    The vice president has done that, Kreider argues, and the family tries to offset that carbon footprint by purchasing their power through the local Green Power Switch program — electricity generated through renewable resources such as solar, wind, and methane gas, which create less waste and pollution. "In addition, they are in the midst of installing solar panels on their home, which will enable them to use less power," Kreider added. "They also use compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy efficiency measures and then they purchase offsets for their carbon emissions to bring their carbon footprint down to zero."

    These efforts did little to impress Johnson. "I appreciate the solar panels," he said, "but he also has natural gas lanterns in his yard, a heated pool, and an electric gate. While I appreciate that he's switching out some light bulbs, he is not living the lifestyle that he advocates."

    Nashville Electric Services records show the Gores in 2006 averaged a monthly electricity bill of $1,359 for using 18,414 kilowatt-hours, and $1,461 per month for using 16,200 kilowatt-hours in 2005. During that time, Nashville Gas Company billed the family an average of $536 a month for the main house and $544 for the pool house in 2006, and $640 for the main house and $525 for the pool house in 2005. That averages out to be $29,268 in gas and electric bills for the Gores in 2006, $31,512 in 2005.

    Gore is not the only environmentalist associated with "An Inconvenient Truth" who has come under fire for personal habits — and not all the criticism has come from the Right.

    Writing in The Atlantic Monthly in 2004, liberal writer Eric Alterman criticized producer Laurie David for her use of private Gulfstream jets. David, he wrote "reviles the owners of SUVs as terrorist enablers, yet gives herself a pass when it comes to chartering one of the most wasteful uses of fossil-based fuels imaginable." New Republic writer Gregg Easterbrook followed up, computing that "one cross-country flight in a Gulfstream is the same, in terms of Persian-Gulf dependence and greenhouse-gas emissions, as if she drove a Hummer for an entire year."

    In an interview in 2006, David told ABC News that she was limiting her use of private planes and was flying commercial far more frequently.



    Sounds a lot like, do as I say, not as I do.

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    Someone beat you to this already. http://www.vhlinks.com/vbforums/showthread.php?t=36620
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeoHalen View Post
    Close this one then. Sorry.

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    Creating double threads is the third biggest cause of global warming.

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    It is. It uses more electricity and disk space, robbing Earth of it's precious minerals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeoHalen View Post
    It is. It uses more electricity and disk space, robbing Earth of it's precious minerals.
    Then by all means let's keep it going then...

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    my question is how long have people been sitting on this info, dying to use it?yes, politicians suck... and cheney's made a ton of money off iraq... pssst... jfk slept with women other than his wife! and slick willie... but so did george bush, sr. (just never made the press)... have we forgot the iran/contra scandal? watergate? ("i'm not a crook"... yeah, mmmkay)...

    politicians all lie... party lines don't matter on that one... hanging chads and all!

    whoops! just slipped off my soapbox and fell on my a$$!

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    Quote Originally Posted by darthadv View Post
    my question is how long have people been sitting on this info, dying to use it?yes, politicians suck... and cheney's made a ton of money off iraq... pssst... jfk slept with women other than his wife! and slick willie... but so did george bush, sr. (just never made the press)... have we forgot the iran/contra scandal? watergate? ("i'm not a crook"... yeah, mmmkay)...

    politicians all lie... party lines don't matter on that one... hanging chads and all!

    whoops! just slipped off my soapbox and fell on my a$$!
    I don't know how long they have been sitting on it, but the point is that Gore (through Global Warming) has been trying to tell us how to live. You're other examples are not people trying to tell me what to do with my life. I agree a lot of politician lie or "suck", I just don't want them telling me to do one thing and then they do another.

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    exactly thats what liberals do "listen, but do not follow."
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    exactly thats what liberals do "listen, but do not follow."
    Huh? That made NO sense. Nice overgeneralization, too. But then, that's what conservatives do. Makes 'em feel warm and fuzzy.
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    Just hearing the name Al Gore makes me retch in memory of his desperate "passionate image" attempt when he kissed Tipper on stage.

    I don't even live in the US but that one sent a wave of bile over the Atlantic into my living room and energy consumption sky rocketed worldwide as people ran into the kitchen to make a cup of tea.

    So, even then..................
    A man could lose himself in a country like this.

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    I don't understand all the resistance to global warming. Almost every Climatologist on the planet agrees that this is happening. But yet, everyone seems SO unwilling to change just a little to maybe help the the problem. So what if Al Gore is a blow hard, every politician is. thats what makes them politicians. We will face major ramifications of our behavior in our lifetime if we don't start taking this seriously. All Al Gore is doing is bringing attention to this subject. Maybe some of you should sit down and actually watch the film before you start making judgments about him in this capacity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie's Little Monster View Post
    I don't understand all the resistance to global warming. Almost every Climatologist on the planet agrees that this is happening. But yet, everyone seems SO unwilling to change just a little to maybe help the the problem. So what if Al Gore is a blow hard, every politician is. thats what makes them politicians. We will face major ramifications of our behavior in our lifetime if we don't start taking this seriously. All Al Gore is doing is bringing attention to this subject. Maybe some of you should sit down and actually watch the film before you start making judgments about him in this capacity.
    Climatologists may agree it's happening, but they do not agree that it's man made... Not even close...

    Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe
    "The Inconvenient Truth" is indeed inconvenient to alarmists

    By Tom Harris

    Monday, June 12, 2006

    "Scientists have an independent obligation to respect and present the truth as they see it," Al Gore sensibly asserts in his film "An Inconvenient Truth", showing at Cumberland 4 Cinemas in Toronto since Jun 2. With that outlook in mind, what do world climate experts actually think about the science of his movie?

    Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention."

    But surely Carter is merely part of what most people regard as a tiny cadre of "climate change skeptics" who disagree with the "vast majority of scientists" Gore cites?

    No; Carter is one of hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change. "Climate experts" is the operative term here. Why? Because what Gore's "majority of scientists" think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them actually work in the climate field.

    Even among that fraction, many focus their studies on the impacts of climate change; biologists, for example, who study everything from insects to polar bears to poison ivy. "While many are highly skilled researchers, they generally do not have special knowledge about the causes of global climate change," explains former University of Winnipeg climatology professor Dr. Tim Ball. "They usually can tell us only about the effects of changes in the local environment where they conduct their studies."

    This is highly valuable knowledge, but doesn't make them climate change cause experts, only climate impact experts.

    So we have a smaller fraction.

    But it becomes smaller still. Among experts who actually examine the causes of change on a global scale, many concentrate their research on designing and enhancing computer models of hypothetical futures. "These models have been consistently wrong in all their scenarios," asserts Ball. "Since modelers concede computer outputs are not "predictions" but are in fact merely scenarios, they are negligent in letting policy-makers and the public think they are actually making forecasts."

    We should listen most to scientists who use real data to try to understand what nature is actually telling us about the causes and extent of global climate change. In this relatively small community, there is no consensus, despite what Gore and others would suggest.

    Here is a small sample of the side of the debate we almost never hear:

    Appearing before the Commons Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development last year, Carleton University paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Patterson testified, "There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth's temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years." Patterson asked the committee, "On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century's modest warming?"

    Patterson concluded his testimony by explaining what his research and "hundreds of other studies" reveal: on all time scales, there is very good correlation between Earth's temperature and natural celestial phenomena such changes in the brightness of the Sun.

    Dr. Boris Winterhalter, former marine researcher at the Geological Survey of Finland and professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, takes apart Gore's dramatic display of Antarctic glaciers collapsing into the sea. "The breaking glacier wall is a normally occurring phenomenon which is due to the normal advance of a glacier," says Winterhalter. "In Antarctica the temperature is low enough to prohibit melting of the ice front, so if the ice is grounded, it has to break off in beautiful ice cascades. If the water is deep enough icebergs will form."

    Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden, admits, "Some small areas in the Antarctic Peninsula have broken up recently, just like it has done back in time. The temperature in this part of Antarctica has increased recently, probably because of a small change in the position of the low pressure systems."

    But Karlen clarifies that the 'mass balance' of Antarctica is positive - more snow is accumulating than melting off. As a result, Ball explains, there is an increase in the 'calving' of icebergs as the ice dome of Antarctica is growing and flowing to the oceans. When Greenland and Antarctica are assessed together, "their mass balance is considered to possibly increase the sea level by 0.03 mm/year - not much of an effect," KarlÈn concludes.

    The Antarctica has survived warm and cold events over millions of years. A meltdown is simply not a realistic scenario in the foreseeable future.

    Gore tells us in the film, "Starting in 1970, there was a precipitous drop-off in the amount and extent and thickness of the Arctic ice cap." This is misleading, according to Ball: "The survey that Gore cites was a single transect across one part of the Arctic basin in the month of October during the 1960s when we were in the middle of the cooling period. The 1990 runs were done in the warmer month of September, using a wholly different technology."

    Karlen explains that a paper published in 2003 by University of Alaska professor Igor Polyakov shows that, the region of the Arctic where rising temperature is supposedly endangering polar bears showed fluctuations since 1940 but no overall temperature rise. "For several published records it is a decrease for the last 50 years," says KarlÈn

    Dr. Dick Morgan, former advisor to the World Meteorological Organization and climatology researcher at University of Exeter, U.K. gives the details, "There has been some decrease in ice thickness in the Canadian Arctic over the past 30 years but no melt down. The Canadian Ice Service records show that from 1971-1981 there was average, to above average, ice thickness. From 1981-1982 there was a sharp decrease of 15% but there was a quick recovery to average, to slightly above average, values from 1983-1995. A sharp drop of 30% occurred again 1996-1998 and since then there has been a steady increase to reach near normal conditions since 2001."

    Concerning Gore's beliefs about worldwide warming, Morgan points out that, in addition to the cooling in the NW Atlantic, massive areas of cooling are found in the North and South Pacific Ocean; the whole of the Amazon Valley; the north coast of South America and the Caribbean; the eastern Mediterranean, Black Sea, Caucasus and Red Sea; New Zealand and even the Ganges Valley in India. Morgan explains, "Had the IPCC used the standard parameter for climate change (the 30 year average) and used an equal area projection, instead of the Mercator (which doubled the area of warming in Alaska, Siberia and the Antarctic Ocean) warming and cooling would have been almost in balance."

    Gore's point that 200 cities and towns in the American West set all time high temperature records is also misleading according to Dr. Roy Spencer, Principal Research Scientist at The University of Alabama in Huntsville. "It is not unusual for some locations, out of the thousands of cities and towns in the U.S., to set all-time records," he says. "The actual data shows that overall, recent temperatures in the U.S. were not unusual."

    Carter does not pull his punches about Gore's activism, "The man is an embarrassment to US science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of whom know (but feel unable to state publicly) that his propaganda crusade is mostly based on junk science."

    In April sixty of the world's leading experts in the field asked Prime Minister Harper to order a thorough public review of the science of climate change, something that has never happened in Canada. Considering what's at stake - either the end of civilization, if you believe Gore, or a waste of billions of dollars, if you believe his opponents - it seems like a reasonable request.
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    I Also agree that not all of this is man made as well. The earth does have natural warming and cooling cycles. My point is this, If we as humans can do anything to help slow or reverse whats going on right now, shouldn't we try? Sure it may not all be man made but it's at least partly our fault. everything has a cause and effect. and we've caused plenty of environmental damage and I just think it's up to us to try and find a way to help out, before half the planets population is living underwater. I hate to sound preachy but I took enough meteorology in college (i am in no way claiming to be an expert so don't jump down my throat) to know that reversing our (world) pollution can make an extreme difference. It may just be the difference between livable conditions and unlivable.
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