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    Default Can this be Saved? How?

    So -

    Ideas?

    Anyone?

    If you were David Lee Roth or Alex Van Halen and you had the ability to deal with Eddie occasionally...

    How would YOU save the tour? What plan would you take to get Van Halen on the road and back in the business as a commercially viable entity?

    I may answer myself..just thought it would be neat to see what is said.

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    Anything is possible.

    We have a pretty good idea that Live Nation pulled the plug on the tour and we also have a pretty good idea it was because of Eddie.

    Now, we don't know the degree of what kind of condition Ed is in. His last public appearance at NAMM was okay -- nothing earth shattering but certainly inspiring enough that he could pull off the tour.

    We know from the recent Dave interview wth the LA Times that the first rehearsal with the band went very well, even when Wolfie had to basically remind his dad of his legendary riffs and solos off CVH tunes.

    So, something BAD regarding Eddie happened.

    Can this thing be saved?? Who knows. Some of Andrew's (melodicrock) sources say that they still expect a tour this year and that this thing is just 'on hold', so that Eddie's issues can be dealt with.

    If its a matter of his drinking, then don't expect a tour this year.

    But we also have to realize something -- Eddie has already been in rehab, many times actually (dating back to 1986). What will actually work with him? It seems he doesn't drink beer or JD anymore but is attached to his Smoking Loon red wine.

    I don't know. Its really bizarre considering how close they were to get this thing off the ground (I mean, a photo was taken too!).
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    didn't Dave call Eddie a Meth head on his radio show? I don't think he would call him out on that publicly if it wasn't true. I'd be more worried about Eddie doing that than drinking. It's hard to come back from behing hooked on meth.

    But if Eddie doesn't think he has a problem then he's not going to try to seriously get help. He'll just continue to think that everyone is out to get him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hain23x View Post
    didn't Dave call Eddie a Meth head on his radio show? I don't think he would call him out on that publicly if it wasn't true. I'd be more worried about Eddie doing that than drinking. It's hard to come back from behing hooked on meth.

    But if Eddie doesn't think he has a problem then he's not going to try to seriously get help. He'll just continue to think that everyone is out to get him.
    Yeah, that's right.

    I doubt his PR girlfriend is helping.

    Don't know about the meth thing -- I mean, Eddie has enough $$$$ to get blow and so on -- why settle for meth?

    Regardless, we don't what's going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinnie Velvet View Post
    Anything is possible.

    We have a pretty good idea that Live Nation pulled the plug on the tour and we also have a pretty good idea it was because of Eddie.

    Oh I think anything important business wise like that has to do with Eddie. I think that whacky bastard threatens to take his ball and go home every ten minutes - I bet for no reason at all at this point. The other guys don't have the option - he waited them out with "the crazy".


    Now, we don't know the degree of what kind of condition Ed is in. His last public appearance at NAMM was okay -- nothing earth shattering but certainly inspiring enough that he could pull off the tour.
    I dunno. That thing about seeing Eddie at a 7-11 in the early morning did not exactly convince me that the guy is doing good.

    We know from the recent Dave interview wth the LA Times that the first rehearsal with the band went very well, even when Wolfie had to basically remind his dad of his legendary riffs and solos off CVH tunes.
    We know Dave was being diplomatic and Dave basically admitted he'd join Van Halen w/ George Foreman on bass in order to play with Ed "in his prime".


    So, something BAD regarding Eddie happened.
    This is EXTREMELY possible. I mean, check out the whackyness - this is a guy who got in trouble for bringing a gun on a plane...TWICE! Holy shit.


    Can this thing be saved?? Who knows. Some of Andrew's (melodicrock) sources say that they still expect a tour this year and that this thing is just 'on hold', so that Eddie's issues can be dealt with.
    Maybe reality smacked them in the face once people started pulling out on backing the drunk. He's really so fucked he can't book a tour now.

    If its a matter of his drinking, then don't expect a tour this year.
    I honestly thought this was the year they would break up on stage anyway.

    But we also have to realize something -- Eddie has already been in rehab, many times actually (dating back to 1986). What will actually work with him? It seems he doesn't drink beer or JD anymore but is attached to his Smoking Loon red wine.

    I don't know. Its really bizarre considering how close they were to get this thing off the ground (I mean, a photo was taken too!).

    I didn't get excited about the photo. The logic of announcing this after one practice...getting into an article in rolling stone after ONE practice...a practice where Ed didn't know the material again?!?

    I think they're all a little crazy for thinking THAT was going to work.

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    Assuming some sort of intervention took place, a stint in rehab for EVH and AVH, DLR, MA, SH attending the Hall of Fame induction with Wolfgang there on his Dad's behalf all wishing EVH well on his road to recovery.

    It would be unfortunate that he would miss such an important night, but Ed getting his life together should be top priority.

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    Yes. Get Chris Cornell to be the singer.

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    The only way this could have been saved, would've been that between the 2004 tour and today, Ed had cleaned up his act quite a bit. There were some things to indicate that maybe that had happened,there was some optimisim toward the 2007 tour. Apparently though, it didn't happen. Since this type of thing isn't a "quick fix", I don't see any way it'll get saved. Maybe Ed will pull it together a little better and they'll go through with things this year, but much like 2004, I would expect that to result in more odd behavior and more lousy performances.

    The better question is "Can Ed be saved?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by yomamasofat View Post
    Yes. Get Chris Cornell to be the singer.
    maybe he's not as outspoken, but he makes the old dave with ego look humble...

    i caught audioslave on the first album tour in a club, and he was pretty full of himself... he's a better example of a person with LSD... he couldn't hold it together with two different bands...

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    the chances of a tour in '07 is looking like slim to none imo... not impossible, but probably unlikely, especially if ed's not dealing with his issues... i don't understand how so many people thought that he was lucid at the fender gig promoting the replica guitar... i guess if you're hoping hard enough, you tend to overlook the obvious...

    well, i hope they can all show up at the hall for the occassion, even if they don't get to play... it would be a shame for them not to be there to at least receive the recognition in person...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menlow View Post
    The only way this could have been saved, would've been that between the 2004 tour and today, Ed had cleaned up his act quite a bit. There were some things to indicate that maybe that had happened,there was some optimisim toward the 2007 tour. Apparently though, it didn't happen. Since this type of thing isn't a "quick fix", I don't see any way it'll get saved. Maybe Ed will pull it together a little better and they'll go through with things this year, but much like 2004, I would expect that to result in more odd behavior and more lousy performances.

    The better question is "Can Ed be saved?"
    So true. This is beyond the point of saving a tour. I truly believe a man's life could be at stake - literally.

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    not to nit pick, but i think dave said wolf helped Ed with the "nuances" of his solo's..

    What needs to be saved is Ed. After that, the sky is the limit
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    Before I go into "What If" territory, a couple things I wanna address..........

    First off, the numerous comments about the band playing *only* one rehearsal is simply not accurate. Eddie and his son and occasionally Alex had been playing several times a week, sometimes more, sometimes less depending on Wolfgang's free time at 5150 for months focusing on the Roth era tunes. It's misleading to think that they all got together that one day and lurched through 15 or so songs for the first time together. As a band, the Van Halen's have been playing the songs consistantly for months in Eddie's studio although it's obvious Eddie still had/has a ways to go to know the songs inside and out for the obvious reasons (well, he's fried). Yeah, it's true, Dave has only done the one session (which Ross Halfin got the cd-r recording from) with the band, but Dave has been doing live shows featuring most of the same classic Van Halen tunes going on 8 years now with his own band so he knows them really well. The only issue aside from Eddie's abilities was how the band with Wolfgang and Roth might gell together after all that time.

    The whole idea behind doing the live rehearsal was not only to see how well the four of them worked together after all this time but as a showcase for a few Live Nation execs to see and hear the band firsthand as proof they could still cut it. This negative talk about booking a tour after one rehearsal is meritless as many bands book tours a year or more in advance even before they even go into a studio to record whatever album they're going to be plugging on the road. You think anyone asks Springsteen or U2 or The Police how many rehearsals they've done before considering booking their tours? Obviously, consdiering Van Halen's rep, especially Eddies' these days, they had to show concrete proof they could cut it together as a band to Live Nation execs, hence the specific rehearsal with Dave in November but it's not like LN needed to hear or be aware of dozens of rehearsals prior to considering signing the band for the tour.

    I'd guess faced with the enourmous pressures once they first began to seriosuly move forward with this tour, Eddie just retreated further into his shell or became more demanding to the point no one could even effectively communicate with him, finally alienating Live Nation.

    As far as "saving the tour" at this point, obviously, it comes down to getting Eddie's act together which would probably be a 6 month to a year ordeal. As others have said, Eddie *has* to realize he needs to clean up his act and he has to have the people closest to him strongly pushing him to do so. Based on what we've all heard and read, even now with Live Nation pulling the plug on a lucrative tour, it appears Eddie won't budge and has probably shut out people like Alex while surrounding and insulating himself with enablers and flaky hanger-ons. And the simple fact of how Eddie seems to deal with pressure, even considering mounting a tour even *if* he cleans up his act is almost unthinkable now.

    I think if everyone - Dave, Sammy, Mike and even Alex appear united at the RnRHoF induction on live tv, that may be a major slap in the face to Eddie to prod him into getting his shit in order. On the other hand, with the help of long term drug and alcohol abuse coupled with his well known personality issues, Eddie may have passed the point of no return.

    At any rate, the likelyhood of the tour even happening in 2007 is almost 100% a dead issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menlow View Post

    The better question is "Can Ed be saved?"

    That's the $1M question!!!

 

 

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