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    Default 18 key points/steps to victory in Iraq

    This is copied from a famous american who published these steps over the internet.
    Read them and comment, as well as agree/disagree and after enough replies, i'll reveal the author.
    Some of you may have already seen these or know who it is; if you do, pls do not reveal the identity so this exercise can remain as objective as is possible.

    "Key Steps to Victory in Iraq

    1. Place General Petraeus in charge of the Iraq campaign and establish that the Ambassador is operating in support of the military commander.

    2. Since General Petraeus will now have responsibility for victory in Iraq all elements of achieving victory are within his purview and he should report daily to the White House on anything significant which is not working or is needed

    3. Create a deputy chief of staff to the President and appoint a retired four star general or admiral to manage Iraq implementation for the Commander in Chief on a daily basis.

    4. Establish that the second briefing (after the daily intelligence brief) the President will get every day is from his deputy chief of staff for Iraq implementation.

    5. Establish a War Cabinet which will meet once a week to review metrics of implementation and resolve failures and enforce decisions. The President should chair the War Cabinet personally and his deputy chief of staff for Iraq implementation should prepare the agenda for the weekly review and meeting.

    6. Establish three plans: one for achieving victory with the help of the Iraqi government, one for achieving victory with the passive acquiescence of the Iraqi government, one for achieving victory even if the current Iraqi government is unhappy. The third plan may involve very significant shifts in troops and resources away from Baghdad and a process of allowing the Iraqi central government to fend for itself if it refuses to cooperate.

    7. Communicate clearly to Syria and Iran that the United States is determined to win in Iraq and that any further interference (such as the recent reports of sophisticated Iranian explosives being sent to Iraq to target Americans) will lead to direct and aggressive countermeasures.

    8. Pour as many intelligence assets into the fight as needed to develop an overwhelming advantage in intelligence preparation of the battlefield.

    9. Develop a commander’s capacity to spend money on local activities sufficient to enable every local American commander to have substantial leverage in dealing with local communities.

    10. Establish a jobs corps or civil conservation corps of sufficient scale to bring unemployment for males under 30 below 10% (see the attached op-ed by Mayor Giuliani and myself on this topic).

    11. Expand dramatically the integration of American purchasing power in buying from Iraqi firms pioneered by Assistant Secretary Paul Brinkley to maximize the rate of recovery of the Iraqi economy.

    12. Expand the American Army and Marine Corps as much as needed to sustain the fights in Iraq and Afghanistan while also being prepared for other contingencies and maintaining a sustainable rhythm for the families and the force.

    13. Demand a war budget for recapitalization of the military to continue modernization while defeating our enemies. The current national security budget is lower as a percentage of the economy than at any time from Pearl Harbor through the end of the Cold War. It is less than half the level Truman sustained before the Korean War.

    14. The State Department is too small, too undercapitalized and too untrained for the demands of the 21st century. There should be a 50% increase in the State Department budget and a profound rethinking of the culture and systems of the State Department so it can be an operationally effective system.

    15. The Agency for International Development is hopelessly unsuited to the new requirements of economic assistance and development and should be rethought from the ground up. The Marshall Plan and Point Four were as important as NATO in containing the Soviet Empire. We do not have that capability today.

    16. The President should issue executive orders where possible to reform the implementation system so it works with the speed and effectiveness required by the 21st century.

    17. Where legislation is needed the President should collaborate with Congress in honestly reviewing the systems that are failing and developing new metrics, new structures and new strategies.

    18. Under our Constitution it is impossible to have this scale of rethinking and reform without deep support from the legislative branch. Without Republican Senator Arthur Vandenburg, Democratic President Harry Truman could never have developed the containment policies that saved freedom and ultimately defeated the Soviet Empire. The President should ask the bipartisan leaders of Congress to cooperate in establishing a joint Legislative-Executive working group on winning the war and should openly brief the legislative branch on the problems which are weakening the American system abroad. Only by educating and informing the Congress can we achieve the level of mutual understanding and mutual commitment that this long hard task will require."
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    Quote Originally Posted by perticelli View Post
    "Key Steps to Victory in Iraq

    1. Place General Petraeus in charge of the Iraq campaign and establish that the Ambassador is operating in support of the military commander.
    Don't know the guy personally, but if he's a general, I guess he's just as qualified as others.

    2. Since General Petraeus will now have responsibility for victory in Iraq all elements of achieving victory are within his purview and he should report daily to the White House on anything significant which is not working or is needed
    It's my understanding this system is pretty much already in place.

    3. Create a deputy chief of staff to the President and appoint a retired four star general or admiral to manage Iraq implementation for the Commander in Chief on a daily basis.
    Isn't that what the General is for? Oh well, government beauracracy I guess.

    4. Establish that the second briefing (after the daily intelligence brief) the President will get every day is from his deputy chief of staff for Iraq implementation.
    I would think he gets briefed enough already.

    5. Establish a War Cabinet which will meet once a week to review metrics of implementation and resolve failures and enforce decisions. The President should chair the War Cabinet personally and his deputy chief of staff for Iraq implementation should prepare the agenda for the weekly review and meeting.
    I'm not sure what would change so drastically in a day/week. I think you need to give the plan some time to work itself. Besides, isn't that what the Defense Department handles?

    6. Establish three plans: one for achieving victory with the help of the Iraqi government, one for achieving victory with the passive acquiescence of the Iraqi government, one for achieving victory even if the current Iraqi government is unhappy. The third plan may involve very significant shifts in troops and resources away from Baghdad and a process of allowing the Iraqi central government to fend for itself if it refuses to cooperate.
    Can there be victory without support from the Iraqi government? I believe that's what we did to the South Vietnamese, and we saw how that worked out.

    7. Communicate clearly to Syria and Iran that the United States is determined to win in Iraq and that any further interference (such as the recent reports of sophisticated Iranian explosives being sent to Iraq to target Americans) will lead to direct and aggressive countermeasures.
    Done by Bush already...including today.

    8. Pour as many intelligence assets into the fight as needed to develop an overwhelming advantage in intelligence preparation of the battlefield.
    Sounds good, but I think they are doing that already. Besides, where are they coming from, space?

    9. Develop a commander’s capacity to spend money on local activities sufficient to enable every local American commander to have substantial leverage in dealing with local communities.
    What money is there to give? There are approval systems in place for allocation from the war fund.

    10. Establish a jobs corps or civil conservation corps of sufficient scale to bring unemployment for males under 30 below 10% (see the attached op-ed by Mayor Giuliani and myself on this topic).
    That's a good idea as long as they have the means to pay and TRUST them.

    11. Expand dramatically the integration of American purchasing power in buying from Iraqi firms pioneered by Assistant Secretary Paul Brinkley to maximize the rate of recovery of the Iraqi economy.
    Sounds good, but what am I supposed to buy from there besides oil?

    12. Expand the American Army and Marine Corps as much as needed to sustain the fights in Iraq and Afghanistan while also being prepared for other contingencies and maintaining a sustainable rhythm for the families and the force.
    Well doesn't that sound easy? I guess we should just start a draft....*gasp* Either that or lower your standards, which no one wants to do.

    13. Demand a war budget for recapitalization of the military to continue modernization while defeating our enemies. The current national security budget is lower as a percentage of the economy than at any time from Pearl Harbor through the end of the Cold War. It is less than half the level Truman sustained before the Korean War.
    Look, I like to be the best, but have you ever seen a pie chart of the defense spending compared to the overall budget? It takes up well over half the pie while education gets a sliver (something like 2%). I would probably agree because I think education should be state funded, but it would be hard to convince the rest of the American people.

    14. The State Department is too small, too undercapitalized and too untrained for the demands of the 21st century. There should be a 50% increase in the State Department budget and a profound rethinking of the culture and systems of the State Department so it can be an operationally effective system.
    Same as above. They have a lot of money-- when you can better quantify what is being spent on what, then you can make an argument there.

    15. The Agency for International Development is hopelessly unsuited to the new requirements of economic assistance and development and should be rethought from the ground up. The Marshall Plan and Point Four were as important as NATO in containing the Soviet Empire. We do not have that capability today.
    We do have the capability, it is called the UN. Unfortunately, the UN is just an acronym for "Useless Nations," so we lose.

    16. The President should issue executive orders where possible to reform the implementation system so it works with the speed and effectiveness required by the 21st century.
    I'm sure that's already being done. Why wouldn't it? The only people that don't like that are the far leftists because it seems like absolute power.

    17. Where legislation is needed the President should collaborate with Congress in honestly reviewing the systems that are failing and developing new metrics, new structures and new strategies.
    Uh, he just tried that. All he got was politics. Democrats saying "You're bad, we're better." Republicans saying "please, GW, don't get too close, I want to be reelected."

    18. Under our Constitution it is impossible to have this scale of rethinking and reform without deep support from the legislative branch. Without Republican Senator Arthur Vandenburg, Democratic President Harry Truman could never have developed the containment policies that saved freedom and ultimately defeated the Soviet Empire. The President should ask the bipartisan leaders of Congress to cooperate in establishing a joint Legislative-Executive working group on winning the war and should openly brief the legislative branch on the problems which are weakening the American system abroad. Only by educating and informing the Congress can we achieve the level of mutual understanding and mutual commitment that this long hard task will require."
    See above again. Too much politics for them to handle. What has Congress accomplished in a bipartisan manner since 2001? NOTHING. It ain't starting now.
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    Basically, this all sounds good, but this part isn't the problem. It's the people on the ground getting blown up by radicals. No Congressional oversight fixes that. We are doing everything we can on our end, we just need to wait for them to pick up their own pieces and work it out. Unfortunately for George W, the american people are about as impatient as a crack addict on pay day.

    Besides, if this is THE plan to win the war in Iraq, why do we need 3 DIFFERENT plans based on Iraqi involvement.

    Sounds like a bunch of pie-in-the-sky-please-elect-me-in-08 BS. If there was a better way, someone should have told the President this last time around instead of wanting to point fingers and pull out completely.
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