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    I have been reading these forums for several years, but I have never really had the time to post that much. That being said, with the timing of the reunion tour and all, I wanted to post thoughts on all things VH, from a fan since 82-83, who has seen them in concert every local NY area show (solo/with Sammy) since 86. I have also met every member besides Sammy. I am more of a fan of CVH, since I always felt that the band had a rougher edge, more attitude, better riffs, and just a cooler persona. I did not abandon ship, however, since I stick with the philosophy that if a player leaves your favt sports team, you don't start rooting for another team. You root for your favorite team, and hope your player who was traded/left does well on his new team (except when they play your team--lol)
    I am 38 and trying to start a family, so the timing, money-wise is not the best, but we've all waited for this. I am against it being without Mike, but I am not going to pass up seeing Eddie and DLR doing the classic VH tunes, since I was too young to see them in 84 or before. Unless the background vox are piped in, pre-recorded or with someone behind a curtain, as in the case of Black Sabb (reunion tour), Mike will be sorely missed. I predict arenas, a few key stadiums and unfortunately, amphitheatres, though I agree with a fellow VHForums poster that arenas are what they are best suited to; a picture of the scaffoldings and lighting rigs from the 1984 tour comes to mind. Will they be good? Most definitely. As 'bad' as people claim the 04 tour was, it wasn't the music--it was the pervading feeling that 'all was not happy' onstage as it had been in most previous tours. DLR can still sing; I saw him at NYC Nokia theatre in July doing every classic tune well, hitting most notes, remembering all the words and even doing the bluegrass versions. I predict we get the live DVD, a boxed set with most of the common unreleased tunes, maybe a song on a movie soundtrack. I truly hope for this, as well as a DVD/Live CD combo, as is common with bands like Whitesnake and a few others lately.
    Another part of me sees this as a trainwreck and a tour that could end well before it makes it to NY. If it starts in NC, rather than Vegas, I may take the chance and fly down to see opening night, in case there's no 2nd night...
    On other VH topics, I think YEARS have been wasted by mostly Ed, but the others as well. There was so much more potential for the band once dubbed Aerosmith's successor as America's premier hard rock band. As much as you may not like Bon Jovi or Pearl Jam, both have survived members' departures and lasted nearly as long years-wise as VH, and with more music produced and never having had any significant lapse in music making. Even Aerosmith themselves emerged from breakup and drugs to be more prolific and reliable than VH.
    This is their chance to undo the wrongdoing of so many years. Will they? Well, being true VH fans, we know what we get more often than not, and we are also pessimistic. When Sammy joined, I was not happy but I knew his voice kicked ass and could handle any VH tune. What happened? He or VH or both decided to only sing 4-5 classic era tunes--EVER--and lost was the back catalogue, unless you went to a DLR show. They would play the same 16 songs or so, rarely a surprise other than SUPERSTITIOUS and RWTD at Monsters of Rock, UNCHAINED on RHRN tour. Not until Cherone did we hear some of the classics. Unlike their complete opposites, KISS (another fave band of mine) VH fans get hardly ANY product. No box sets, b-sides, tourbooks, collectibles, fan clubs, DVD's, etc etc. We'll probably get high priced tix , a lame opening act (you'd NEVER see AN EVENING WITH VH with an intermission, like RUSH did) a setlist that's identical, even in markets with multiple shows, and a circus-like atmosphere. If half of my hopes outweigh my gut-feelings, I'll be ecstatic. If they play 'In A Simple Rhyme' by some act of God, every penny will be worth it. THANKS FOR THE LONG READ, but it was a few years in the making. Comments are welcome and yes, I am fully aware that I may get second-guessed or bashed.
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    you're right that was a long post. Couple points i'd like to discuss. Bon Jovi have lasted as long as they have because they've never lost their lead singer, and have always seemed to have some type of pop hit that makes it on the charts. The last "pop song" van halen tried, to make it into the mainstream was probably "cant' stop loving you" and for all sakes and purposes, was a terrible song, if you love ballads or not.

    Jon Bon Jovi, has never secluded himself into hiding for 10 or more years, and has always been in the spolight of sorts, just as someone like Bono. Dave Lee Roth, also went into hiding for a while, and was trying all sorts of things, and in my opinion hasn't done anything great except for a couple of tunes since he left van halen in 83.

    As far as Aerosmith, I really like them, but I get so pissed, that they are probably considered a more talented band than Van Halen. Which is obsurd. Those mofo's had a couple of hits in the early seventies,, then tanked due to break ups and drugs. It wasn't until after Van Halen became the biggest band in the US, that aerosmith was picked out of the gutter by Run DMC, that the public remembered who they were. Then, they fell back into obscurity, until they had that album with 3 or 4 ballads with Alicia Silverstone as the cute girl in the videos. If you are out of the camp that you want vh to still be in the spotlight of pop culture, that is where VH went wrong. They never did the mega pop ballad. Sure they did a ton of Ballads with sammy, but those ballads as cheesey as the lyrics may have been, never quite translated with the young girls of that generation.

    as always excuse me for my grammar and spelling mistakes, i've had a couple of drinks

    and sorry if I didn't really make any points from the original post.
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    glad you replied period; the more the merrier.

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    Its comical, how much of my life at 29, that I waste on thinking or talking about a band that basically hasn't done anything relevant or music worthy since 1995. Astounding. I don't know what it is. I mean I watch some of the old footage and interviews from the DLR days and the early days with Sam, and I say to myself, that is why I love that band so much, but then on the other hand those same mofo's haven't done shit for me in over 15 years. I think the best thing that any of them has done, is Sammys Tequila, becuase at least I can get drunk off of it, and not have a terrible hang over the next day.

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    Bon Jovi, Hmm, let's see....
    Could it have something to do with.....(God I hate to think I am going to say this, and slam my favorite band in it's own biggest frustrated fansite)...
    Having responsibillity and vision?
    I will never put Bon Jovi on a level with VH, but I will say I saw them back when they actually had to open for Ratt, just before "Slippery". I'll take them over a Poison or a White Lion anyday (yeah, that's going out on a limb, I know). For better or worse, they never "fell down a flight of stairs, landed on their feet and hit the ground running"; and that may be why they've been consistently staying on the charts, keeping current, etc, etc, etc.
    All of that aside, the fact that the original Van Halen has blown peoples minds for very short periods of time is why people keep clamoring for more. I'm not going to call Bon Jovi "boring"; but compared to the WHAT WAS, WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN and dying to know WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE that is VAN HALEN, no musical act, aside from a 7/8ths (blood, you can figure it out) reunion of LED ZEPPELIN could be any more interesting or anticipated.
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    no musical act, aside from a 7/8ths (blood, you can figure it out) reunion of LED ZEPPELIN could be any more interesting or anticipated.[/QUOTE]


    Well, that may be happening too--check out today's melodic rock--summer of 08--zep reunion with jason b.

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    I don't see it in there, but it would be cool---got to see Jason with a re-aligned Foreigner a couple of years ago, and they broke into Misty Mountain Hop---prolly as close to Zep as I'll ever see unfortunately!
    Did see in melodicrock though (coincidence, eh?) where Bon Jovi was working on a COUNTRY RECORD?
    Sorry, if it ain't the STONES, it can't cross over in that direction and be authentic or have dignity Jeez, come to think of it, when the Stones did Country, they could have taught the cookie-cutting cheese freaks in Nashville a lesson TODAY
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    simpleryme - I basically agree with every word you wrote. On some of your random points: saw Dave at the Ameristar Casino last year and he's ready to pull this off - hope they do a dvd so fucking bad; I've gone through two vhs copies of Montreal 1984 cus it's magic, I want something with Dave in HD quality to watch for the rest of my life - how this amazing band ignored 98% of their 78-84 catalog baffles my mind, the songs you mentioned that they played every tour as opposed to mixing it the fuck up makes no sense. I literally will have dreams/fantasy's that they would pull out something like Loss of Control just because they can. They could've pulled out some chairs/stools and done some acoustic shit like Could This Be Magic. I saw Metallica in Florida in 98, Kings of heavy metal, 3/4 of the way through the show they pull out stools, bring out an accordian guy and play Low Man's Lyric and an acoutic version of Four Horseman. And this was at an outdoor shed for christ's sake. They didn't give a shit. They mixed it up and did something different. I would beg these guys if I could just to mix it up. I honestly like almost every song they've ever put out but have to hear Why Can't This Be Love every damn tour. One of their worst? songs.

    I'm rambling now. Anyway, I dug your post, lets hope for the best.
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    True, a lot of wasted potential over the years; a small bit of which can be restored with a strong tour, varied setlist, a DVD, boxset, or some other bone they can throw our way. Let's wait for the official announcement, maybe next week, and the magazine covers (hopefully) to follow.

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    I know everyone hates Gary, but he did help expand the set list for the III tour. Maybe that got Ed to thinking, "My God, these people seem to actually enjoy these other tunes."
    I like Van Halen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by groucheux View Post
    I know everyone hates Gary, but he did help expand the set list for the III tour. Maybe that got Ed to thinking, "My God, these people seem to actually enjoy these other tunes."

    Maybe nothin'


    Eddie has always known people loved those old songs.

    He pulled those out of the moth balls as a way to get people to come to the shows
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