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    Default Something I don't get, EVH Frankenstein

    Maybe I've just missed it (in which case I'm sorry) but in all this talk about the new Fender EVH I still can't figure out if this is an exact replica or just a nice paint job.

    In quite a few places Ed has said they did it from a picture.
    Fender has said they spared no expense to copy it.

    BUT- Unlike even the MusicMan's I've yet to see it anywhere that the neck profile was digitally copied, or the scratches digitally copied for depth, position etc or that the pickup has been exactly reproduced and on the other side of the coin I HAVE seen criticism of the paint job and strip size.

    SO- Is it really a $30,000 exact copy that would feel just like Ed's and be indistinguishable from it... or is it a REALLY good paint job on a guitar that feels pretty good with a guy getting $7,000,000.00+ to play a guitar he likes but may not be EXACTLY the same?

    I'm not hating, I'm just asking cause I've yet to see this clarified.

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    I am sure its a good sales job by Ed, but he says he can't tell the difference. I think it is an exact copy...even down to the reflectors on the back. Of course the nice paint job hides any small issues.
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    In my opinion...it is just a paint job that looks like the original. Someone in another thread said save your bucks and do it yourself for $700. I agree with that too. While I think having one so exact (nicks, scratches...) is a bit much, I don't think it is worth the money. Others definitely will though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EVHWolf View Post
    I am sure its a good sales job by Ed, but he says he can't tell the difference. I think it is an exact copy...even down to the reflectors on the back. Of course the nice paint job hides any small issues.
    Hey...of course he'll say he can't tell the difference....not like he'll say it's a piece of shit and don't buy it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by h*bunter View Post
    Hey...of course he'll say he can't tell the difference....not like he'll say it's a piece of shit and don't buy it....
    And thats why I said its a good sales job by Ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeper View Post
    Maybe I've just missed it (in which case I'm sorry) but in all this talk about the new Fender EVH I still can't figure out if this is an exact replica or just a nice paint job.

    In quite a few places Ed has said they did it from a picture.
    Fender has said they spared no expense to copy it.

    BUT- Unlike even the MusicMan's I've yet to see it anywhere that the neck profile was digitally copied, or the scratches digitally copied for depth, position etc or that the pickup has been exactly reproduced and on the other side of the coin I HAVE seen criticism of the paint job and strip size.

    SO- Is it really a $30,000 exact copy that would feel just like Ed's and be indistinguishable from it... or is it a REALLY good paint job on a guitar that feels pretty good with a guy getting $7,000,000.00+ to play a guitar he likes but may not be EXACTLY the same?

    I'm not hating, I'm just asking cause I've yet to see this clarified.
    well it's not exact, at least the picture they have on his website isn't,
    now I know that guitar has been thru many incarnations,different necks , different year quarters, different pickguards , different strap holders etc etc,
    but one thing that hasn't really changed is the paint job .

    Goto www.evhgear.com look at the white stripe coming out from under the pickguard going around to the back of the body and compare it to the one Ed is holding in concert the replica's is half the width of the original, that is something that probably wouldn't be missed if it was scanned.
    Now look I never claimed that mine I did were ever exact, that was impossible to do without the original , guys like GMW do it digitally and they have the paint job pretty much correct not all the little stuff but the paint is correct. I think Fender did a pretty good job, they did the SRV #1 better but still a pretty good job but it's not exact.
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    So for a $30,000 guitar, knowing they CAN do all that (EBMM neck, SRV and Gallagher replicas from fender) why didn't they. What's the deal on the Clapton? Is that an exact copy? Or the Beck tele? Or is just Fender's newest scam, $30,000 guitars with "close" paint jobs and standard Fender necks. And if it isn't a real replica why on Earth would anyone buy one? Once people learn it's only a paint job resale will be a lot less, say in 5 years it might only go for $10,000, and only that high because of the Eddie association.

    I just don't get what the big deal is if it isn't a real replica when they actually could have done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolsguitars View Post
    well it's not exact, at least the picture they have on his website isn't,
    now I know that guitar has been thru many incarnations,different necks , different year quarters, different pickguards , different strap holders etc etc,
    but one thing that hasn't really changed is the paint job .

    Goto www.evhgear.com look at the white stripe coming out from under the pickguard going around to the back of the body and compare it to the one Ed is holding in concert the replica's is half the width of the original, that is something that probably wouldn't be missed if it was scanned.
    Now look I never claimed that mine I did were ever exact, that was impossible to do without the original , guys like GMW do it digitally and they have the paint job pretty much correct not all the little stuff but the paint is correct. I think Fender did a pretty good job, they did the SRV #1 better but still a pretty good job but it's not exact.
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    Rols, they should have hired you to do it! Seriously! No doubt it would be exact. Seems like this guy that did it at Fender is not 'into it' like others out there that have painted many of these. Like it's been said, FROM PICTURES?? Seems like they could have sent someone with a digital camera and taken some close ups, etc., at the 5150 Studio, eh? I remember seeing pics of them doing that with the SRV & the Clapton. It's probably Eddie that wouldn't let them...

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    Rol, good eye! You should have been tapped to do it! God knows they have been up your ass to stop you, so they definitely know you!
    I agree with all of you. No guitar period is worth $30,000. I wouldn't pay that for the original $130 piece of shit. Face it, it is a beat to hell piece of shit that just happens to sound good. To me though, it doesn't sound any better than the KraMER 5150 or the 1984 or the Ernie Ball or the Wolfie for that matter. It's the guy playing the fucker! It's been said a million times and now a million and one but if Ed played through a Walmart guitar and amp special it would still sound like ED!

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    The difference between what Rol does, and what Fender is doing, is the wear, the dings, the dents, the piece of extra masking tape Eddie failed to take off back in 1978, a reliced replica of a 1961 PAF, complete with exact dirt & grime, rust, scratches, and exact overwinding on one of the coils. etc.

    The fret grime is the same, the rust on the Floyd is the same, the relicing on the Floyd, the pickups, the burns, etc.

    Those are things that NOBODY ELSE does.

    Rol does not have access to those reflectors. NOBODY DOES. They don't make them anymore. Rol doesn't have access to those quarters. THEY DON'T MAKE THEM ANYMORE. Same goes for the extra large brass block underneath the trem. It isn't made anymore.

    But at the end of the day, it comes down to this: Sure, these guitars should probably only be selling for $8-10 thousand dollars. And then......they'd IMMEDIATELY sell on E-Bay for $25k.

    Why *shouldn't* Eddie (and Fender) eliminate the middle-man?

    Would you be dumb enough to sell a fan something that they could turn around and IMMEDIATELY sell for 3-4 times more? No. Not unless your name is Corky Thatcher.

    Eddie is merely cutting out the local-schmuck E-bay seller on this one. And he SHOULD. We'd accuse him of being "drunk" if he didn't.

    If I were famous for pens, and I found out someone was selling my $2 replica pens for $6 a piece on Ebay, you'd better believe I'd trademark everything about my pen, and start selling an "exclusive" replica pen for $6.

    Why should some other jacka** make cash off of my compilation?

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    Do people even READ (the 10 topics on this)threads, or just post for the hell of it???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic View Post
    The difference between what Rol does, and what Fender is doing, is the wear, the dings, the dents, the piece of extra masking tape Eddie failed to take off back in 1978, a reliced replica of a 1961 PAF, complete with exact dirt & grime, rust, scratches, and exact overwinding on one of the coils. etc.

    The fret grime is the same, the rust on the Floyd is the same, the relicing on the Floyd, the pickups, the burns, etc.

    Those are things that NOBODY ELSE does.

    Rol does not have access to those reflectors. NOBODY DOES. They don't make them anymore. Rol doesn't have access to those quarters. THEY DON'T MAKE THEM ANYMORE. Same goes for the extra large brass block underneath the trem. It isn't made anymore.

    But at the end of the day, it comes down to this: Sure, these guitars should probably only be selling for $8-10 thousand dollars. And then......they'd IMMEDIATELY sell on E-Bay for $25k.

    Why *shouldn't* Eddie (and Fender) eliminate the middle-man?

    Would you be dumb enough to sell a fan something that they could turn around and IMMEDIATELY sell for 3-4 times more? No. Not unless your name is Corky Thatcher.

    Eddie is merely cutting out the local-schmuck E-bay seller on this one. And he SHOULD. We'd accuse him of being "drunk" if he didn't.

    If I were famous for pens, and I found out someone was selling my $2 replica pens for $6 a piece on Ebay, you'd better believe I'd trademark everything about my pen, and start selling an "exclusive" replica pen for $6.

    Why should some other jacka** make cash off of my compilation?

    actually it's what I did not what I do ;-) and I have a ton of 1971 quarters,
    I have a ton of those refectors they were made at Peterson Manufacturing and you can still get them at a place called the Lighthouse , as for the wear I did pretty much what this guy said he did on the first one, I have pictures of that guitar up the wazoo and I did every nick and scratch, pickup pole rust ,floyd rust, toggle switch rust that I possibly could, but I do know where you are coming from I did not have Eds help nor the real guitar\pickup\floyd to copy, I did it strictly from pictures.
    It's actually kinda ironic the guy said he spent months on research finding the reflectors and quarters and he was doing this only 20 minutes from my house
    I could have saved him a lot of trouble .
    I' not knocking Ed at all on this , it's something he should have done years ago then guys like me wouldn't have been asked to make them cause none were available anywhere . know what I mean jellybean?

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    I'm surprised they used the Seymore Duncan EVH (evenly voiced harmonic,,, ) pick-up. I figured Ed would have a problem with that. It's an off the shelf pick-up not something researched and designed from the original for this $30,000 replica. Also probably a standard compound radius Warmoth neck. You know the original didn't have a compound radius neck. Like someone said, just a good paint job with off the shelf parts made to look like the original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slumlord View Post
    I'm surprised they used the Seymore Duncan EVH pick-up. I figured Ed would have a problem with that. It's an off the shelf pick-up not something researched and designed from the original for this $30,000 replica.
    1) no, the EVH is an updated copy of the pickup that SEYMOUR re-wound FOR Eddie back then, regardless of how Eddie chooses to tell the tale of his re-wound pickups. They took one coil from Eddie's 1961 PAF and overwound it. That's it.

    2) The pickups they're making for the replica are reliced pickups (bridge and neck pickup) that you CANNOT buy from Seymour Duncan, at least not yet. It's not the exact EVH, as I'm sure the baseplate on the back of an EVH doesn't have a sticker that says "1961 PAF", nor does it used reliced wires or pickup tape, etc.

    I've read multiple accounts from techs/dealers who were at NAMM and got to actually inspect the replica UP CLOSE. Each of them has said it looked remarkable. Some weren't even "VH-heads".....more like skeptics, if anything.

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    See, if I were Fender, I would sell the guitar as a kit. Totally unfinished and unassembled. It would include a "How To" DVD featuring Ed and the Fender guy. It would come with a 1:1 ratio poster of Frankie, front and back, along with a full color booklet featuring every detail.

    Sell it for a Grand.

    Or just sell the DVD, along with the booklet and poster.

    Then I'd sponsor a contest. You could have different catagories like: Most Exact, Most Exact by age group and awards for guys like me who'd do something original. Winners could meet Ed before a Van Halen show.


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