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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.jimbo View Post
    For the most part, the guys in Extreme have been fairly active. They have been out playing live gigs with some overseas dates, playing with R&R legends (Joe Perry), Pat and Kevin with the Eagles cover band.
    I too am ready for some new material. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
    Yeah I know I caught them twice on their Porno Live 25 Tour, but man I crave new tunes...
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    I think what people fail to realize when we bitch and moan about lack of material is that it does cost money to make an album. Most of guys in bands who are in their 40's, 50's and 60's have a wife and probably are raising a few kids. The royalties are not flowing like they used to. They have to put food on the table, pay for braces, etc Records cost money and probably the ROI isn't worth it and some of them probably just can't do it. Maybe the ball and chain is bitching about it? Now a guy like Nuno is out gigging with Rhianna to pay his bills. These guys didn't have the run Van Halen did where they are sitting on millions of cash.

    So I think given their finances its better to do some dates, get paid then to sink time and resources into an album that will sell about 10k. Its like any of us taking up a project that will cost us about 50k and we will make about 10k of it back. Your wives will be thinking you are crazy

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    I just cannot disagree with this sentiment more.

    It has NEVER been cheaper, or easier, for artists to release material.
    Taylor Swift is nice to look at. Adele can sing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I just cannot disagree with this sentiment more.

    It has NEVER been cheaper, or easier, for artists to release material.
    Yes its cheaper but there are still costs associated with releasing material. I mean yes one can download Reaper and do recordings that way but I don't think Nuno wants to sit at home, receive files from people and piece them together. They probably want to collaborate together. Where does everybody live? Maybe they all live in the Boston area so yes they could go down and jam but chances are their houses are being run by their wives. What if Pat lives out in Arizona? Well he has to fly and maybe his disposable income isn't that great. His solo albums were funded by fans so obviously he couldn't afford the cheap costs on his own dime. Needed a GoFundMe page. The Winery Dogs had footage from their last tour with demos and stuff and they required a GoFundMe site.

    Sure its not costing 1 million dollars to make an album but I also think we think it only takes time to produce one. There is a cost and then the time. Maybe the ROI simply isn't there.

    We think these guys live and breathe music 24/7 but they have a life outside of it thats been there for a few decades

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    Again, boo hoo.

    That is akin to me saying I can't go to work today because I have a life outside of work. Some of the greatest songs of all time that are still being played today were recorded on equipment that Reaper makes look like a soup can and yarn.

    The don't get the ROI on their time possibly, that I buy. They make money touring, as almost all bands do now. But bands don't get to whine that it is too expensive to record and release, that is a canard.

    They exist in a time in which they can totally control their product and publishing rights, release the material they want with zero influence from record labels, and yet all these older acts do is complain. If you truly are an artist and want to release material, do it.

    If you don't want to, that's fine. But don't trot out the tired excuse that it costs too much to do so.

    Which is better? Van Halen having a professional studio with time constraints and high costs, releasing an album, going on tour for a year and coming back a million dollars in debt. Or, recording and releasing the material on your own time table without interference from a label, and then going out on tour and keeping a lion's share of the profits.

    I have no sympathy for older bands that won't change with the times.
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    I think it's some gray area between the two of your thought processes. My guess, when they say it costs too much, is that they are thinking about renting professional studios and hiring professional engineers, producers, renting a variety of different amps/instruments, etc, as opposed to recording it in their "home studio" and mixing/producing it themselves. It's always cost a lot of money, and the whole point of going out on tour was so you could pay the record company back for fronting them the money.

    The flip side to the home recording idea, while considerably cheaper, is that they don't have the ability/talent to do the actual process themselves, and they don't want to release garbage.

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    Dreidel nailed it.

    These creatively lethargic bands always use that as an excuse.
    With the way technology has advanced, you could easily upload tunes on your website
    and even eliminate the middle man.

    Others, which i disagree with, us the "Go fund me" route for album costs (Dweezil).

    George Lynch has like 30 bands & puts out a different CD every six months.
    If you really want to stay creative & be active, you just do it.

    I do not see the fun in simply revisiting your old songs, like VH & Extreme.

    When i played, the fun/exciting part was making new riffs & songs.
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    Well I do agree that many bands use it as an excuse. I am just being devils advocate here because there are other external factors preventing new music than just being lazy. Hell it could be as simple as Gary and Nuno simply do not write well together since Nuno has a lot of Eddie Van Halenitus in him. He wants it his way and maybe he thinks Gary's ideas suck?

    Sammy said that Chickenfoot wasn't making an album because its too expensive. Yet he is going to be putting out and album with The Circle (why Sammy?) and will be releasing a new solo album. So if its too expensive for Chickenfoot why isn't it too expensive when Vic is going to be going full Hammett on us? Reason is that personalities are at play along with other external factors. Extreme is at a different level than CF with regards to current profitability. Joe makes money, Chad makes money and Michael has his VH Bankroll along with whatever comes out of Sammy's tit. Nuno is probably the only guy in Extreme that is doing well due to being the guitarist for Rhianna. God knows what Pat is doing to make ends meet or even Gary.

    We simply think "ehhhh lazy" and in the case of VH, true. However certainly other factors come to play with other artists. Not everybody is VH

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    I have ZERO problem with any band saying "we don't want to do it" for whatever the reason.

    Just don't use the "too expensive" excuse. That's a crock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel View Post
    I have ZERO problem with any band saying "we don't want to do it" for whatever the reason.

    Just don't use the "too expensive" excuse. That's a crock.
    Maybe I should have also said "expensive" is a collective term for lots of issues outside of money. I do agree that the band could do a fund me page and raise money to make an album. I just don't know if Mrs Badger is yelling at him saying "no you can't go to Boston to write a new album. We have to take the kids to the water park on Saturday and go to Mom's on Sunday. Then on Monday you need to take the kids to school since I have a day at the spa. Have you called up to see if the others guys received a 70 cent check for your royalties. This better go up next week. Oh yeah the toilet downstairs is making a funny noise so you can rip that out on Tuesday."

    I do bet the issue with Extreme is probably Nuno. He seems to be a bit difficult to work with.

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    My point is that ALL of us have that going on man, we don't get to use that as an excuse to not do our job. You make it sound like it's their hobby.

    They are professional musicians, making music should be part of it.
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    Come on, Zigerella,

    1) All of Extreme are millionaires with tens of thousands of dollars each month in interest alone. Braces don't begin to dent that wad.

    2) There's a bloody big difference between Extreme, a multi-platinum band in the heyday of album sales, and the Winery Dogs.

    3) Recording an album in a pro studio doesn't mean it has to cost the same as Chinese Democracy.

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    Why spend money on an album that you'll never get back in sales when you can just skip that portion and go straight to touring, where the actual money is?

    If your job included optional work that would only cost you money, would you do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildman View Post
    Why spend money on an album that you'll never get back in sales when you can just skip that portion and go straight to touring, where the actual money is?

    If your job included optional work that would only cost you money, would you do it?
    I get that sentiment, especially as a capitalist, but as a creative artist shouldn't all these great musicians want to share their gift?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlofeldsCat View Post
    Come on, Zigerella,

    1) All of Extreme are millionaires with tens of thousands of dollars each month in interest alone. Braces don't begin to dent that wad.

    2) There's a bloody big difference between Extreme, a multi-platinum band in the heyday of album sales, and the Winery Dogs.

    3) Recording an album in a pro studio doesn't mean it has to cost the same as Chinese Democracy.
    Tens of thousands of dollar each month in interest? How many albums do you think these guys sold? I don't think the guys in Van Halen make that kind of money in interest on investments, never mind a band that had one hit album and headlined one theatre tour at their peak.

 

 

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