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  1. #1171
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    Quote Originally Posted by It's Mike View Post
    Tens of thousands of dollar each month in interest? How many albums do you think these guys sold? I don't think the guys in Van Halen make that kind of money in interest on investments, never mind a band that had one hit album and headlined one theatre tour at their peak.
    A writer once talked about being at Eddie's house for an interview during the Sammy era when the big money was freely flowing. He mentioned seeing an uncashed royalty cheque for an obscene amount of $$$. A five digit amount, yet it was loosely tossed in a stack of other papers and such.

    He said, kind of like that scene from Dumb and Dumber with the Lamborghini I.O.U. - "You might wanna hold onto that one..." and Eddie was casual about it, like an afterthought. "Oh yeah, I forgot about that." or something similar.

    Pretty sure the members of Extreme are in a different tax bracket.
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    I think there is a difference with Eddie Van Halen and Pat Badger with regards to checks floating around the house. One artist had multiple record deals and I think Extreme only was working on one when they got dropped after Punchline. One band sold 80+ mlllion and the other 10 million. One band had sustained success for multiple decades and one for about 2 years.

    If they got 15 bucks for every album sold, the record company made 500 million on their albums. The band would get about 10% of that if the record company was generous on their first album deal. So that is 50 million. Then you need to pay for recording costs. You need to pay for videos. You need to pay the producer. Your managers are really considered a full time band membe. Oh and whomever the songwriter was for the song gets more money so Pat and Paul probably got less money than Gary and Nuno. Unsure if they did the VH way or not. Anyway each member at most got 10 million for their albums but minus recording costs, videos, etc and its going to go down quite a bit. Then how much went up their nose? How much was lost making Population 1 or the band Gary was in?

    Anyway I seriously doubt those guys are doing the Dumb and Dumber lifestyle. Probably the guy best off is Paul because he is a manager for many bands and a lot of them had a good run in the late 90's and early 2000's

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    I think a lot of bands just have to learn how to manage their legacy albums. Looks like Extreme released a deluxe Pornograffitti a couple of years ago - not sure how that did (or if their rights are structured as such that they made a dime off it), but I think there are still a lot of bands that ignore their legacy records, and really, if they do a good job with the legacy stuff, then that could help the other stuff. Just make sure your new stuff is in the bin when people go to pick up that super deluxe edition of one of your best albums. That’s what pisses me off about The Band That Pisses Us Off - they’ve released their albums three times now with no added value. No “Voodoo Queen” tacked on to Fair Warning or “Last Night” tacked on to Diver Down, etc. can’t tell me there aren’t some good live versions of some of the songs they couldn’t tack on, either. Or do the “greatest hits” CD and DVD like some bands have done - and let’s get all the videos on there - the “Loss Of Control”, the “Intruder”/“(Oh) Pretty Woman”, all of ‘em. Or a super deluxe edition of MCMLXXXIV with demos, live cuts and a DVD with the videos and some of the other MTV stuff going on at the time. But I digress - back to Extreme

    It should be that hard to keep new product out. So many other bands are still putting stuff out - sure the costs to make it are the same all around and nobody’s moving a lot of product anymore. Except Metallica - they seem to do decent business with their new stuff! How have they maintained that? I know there are a lot of Metallica fans out there, but for me, I feel like I heard “More Than Words” and “Hole Hearted” just as much as “Enter Sandman” And “Nothing Else Matters”. So why was Metallica able to maintain and Extreme wasn’t?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    I get that sentiment, especially as a capitalist, but as a creative artist shouldn't all these great musicians want to share their gift?
    If that's what they are in it for, sure. Some musicians are happy just writing for themselves. For most, it's a job. A cool job, but still a job.
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    So disappointed, so this thread is on the band and not the place where the good porn goes. So glad I checked before posting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildman View Post
    If that's what they are in it for, sure. Some musicians are happy just writing for themselves. For most, it's a job. A cool job, but still a job.
    I think when it gets to a point where it becomes "just a job" then musicians run the risk of losing the passion that is integral to creating an artist's best work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUNGLE DRUMMER View Post
    I think when it gets to a point where it becomes "just a job" then musicians run the risk of losing the passion that is integral to creating an artist's best work.
    That's assuming it was ever about passion in the first place. Or, it can depend on what that passion is. Take EVH, for example. Eddie is passionate about guitar and music, but he probably doesn't give a shit about writing songs or recording. He's probably happy just noodling and experimenting. What we consider to be his best work might not matter at all to him.

    But it is a job, no matter what your level of passion. You spend hundreds of days on the road, spend 8 hours or more a day doing shit you don't want to be doing (driving, flying, meet & greets, interviews, etc.) just for maybe two hours of enjoyment a night. In the studio, you spend long hours tracking and tracking, playing the same things over and over, 12 hours a day. It can be grueling and monotonous.

    Artists tend to be passionate about writing and performing, but they generally spend the least amount of time doing those things once music becomes a career. That is until they can afford to take time off. That's when they catch up on the rest of life they've put aside while they were on the road or in the studio.
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    maybe the real reason (and I think I read this from EVH for that matter) it's because in some cases the fans don't mature with the band and they want a regurgitation of the old crap. Metallica took heat for this for years. They were basically burned at the stake for every album by their "true fans" for every album after Justice. they were even criticized for "One" because they made a video for it that was a huge success on MTV.

    Other fans, like me, want change. As much as I'm thrilled that Jake E. Lee, George Lynch, and Slash are still making new music, a lot of it sounds just like the stuff they released when I was 16. At 46 it's no longer relevant to me. that being said, my priorities are no longer what they were as a teenager and I'm not going to rush out and buy the new record by (insert artist name here). As an example, Metallica is the only band that I own all of their albums, and they aren't even my favorite band by a mile. I haven't bought releases in years from my favorite bands: Yngwie, Dream Theater, Iron Maiden, and Megadeth.

    Here is a clip from Craig Goldy, Rudy Sarzo, and Simon Wright on their most recent project. Let's be fair, it's a solid song but I would have liked this a lot more in 1987 than I do today.




    My point is it's harder to please everyone when you can no longer rely on the ROI that you could back then, and maybe that's why artists say "it's too expensive."
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