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    Microchips in humans inevitable: Alberta
    Vancouver Star.Com ^ | Published: Saturday, June 10, 2006 | Jodie Sinnema, CanWest News Service; Edmonton Journal


    EDMONTON -- Imagine a world where you're taken unconscious and with no identification to a hospital. The doctor scans the microchip implanted in your shoulder, downloads your medical identification number and links up with a secure network that says you're a diabetic and allergic to Tylenol.

    Sounds ideal.

    In a world where more than 230 physicians in the United States have bought microchips for implantation in patients, and where a club owner in Spain offers to implant VIP chips into posh people so they don't need to carry credit cards or identification, the ethics of human microchip technology needs to be debated in Canada, says a University of Ottawa professor.

    "This is all happening relatively quickly," said Ian Kerr, an expert in ethics, law and technology who spoke Friday at the Access and Privacy Conference in Edmonton. "I don't think we're that far off."

    Canada hasn't given its approval to microchips that can be implanted into humans for medical purposes. But since 2004, people in the U.S. can have $100 to $200 radio frequency microchips inserted under their skin. The rice-sized implant releases a patient-specific code when it is scanned. With that code, an authorized health-care professional can then link up to a network to find information on the patient's medications or prior treatments, similar to what might be available on Alberta's electronic health record system.

    In the U.S., 97 health-care facilities and 230 physicians have jumped aboard. Harvard Medical School's chief information officer had one implanted in his body. Mexico's attorney general did the same thing so that he could access secure areas in his office.

    For Alzheimer's patients who get lost, the technology could be particularly useful. Kerr said putting such a chip on equipment in a hospital say, a rare mobile cardiac machine also could help doctors find the machines quickly in an emergency.

    But already, people have been able to clone the chips. While that doesn't give them complete medical information, issues of privacy and security must be raised, Kerr said.

    VeriChip, the company that makes the technology, has opened offices in Vancouver and Ottawa.

    Wal-Mart is looking into similar technology to track inventory and microchips are already used in pets.

    A school near Sacramento, Calif., outraged parents when administrators made students wear identification badges outfitted with microchips. When the students walked through doors equipped with chip readers, teachers could monitor the students' whereabouts through their palm pilots.

    "It can be in a knapsack, embedded in somebody's shoe or implanted in your shoulder," Kerr said. "It's hard to know what's around the corners with these kinds of things E Let's think a little bit about the implications before they happen because sometimes you can't put the genie back in the bottle."

    Kerr said it's hard to know if Canada would approve the chips for human implantation.

    Frank Work, Alberta's privacy commissioner, said he thinks it's inevitable.

    "Worried or scared, you know that if there is an advantage to it, either economic or medical, someone is going to perfect it," Work said. "Someone is going to bring it to a point where it can be used in the near future.

    "We'll do it in a well-intentioned way, wanting to look after people. But like with anything, as soon as you bring in the well-intentioned application, someone will figure out the evil application."

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    666 is, like sooo last week FORD!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fast98dodge
    No thanks...

    I will never get a chip implanted on me...
    I'd imagine that there will come a time, maybe not in your lifetime, where it will not be optional.
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    "I'd imagine that there will come a time, maybe not in your lifetime, where it will not be optional."

    Then I will be an outlaw, living in a cave, or woods, eating grass if I have to. WITHOUT a microchip.

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    my dog has a chip with his birthdate, medical info, AND GPS tracking, so if he gets lost or stolen, i can call a number and have him tracked.
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    What if it's a chip with medical applications?

    What if it's part of naotech design that is designed for Diabetics or people ith HIV?

    EMTs, police and other medical personel would need to know that stuff is inside of you, especially if you're in an accident where you're unconcious.

    I don't think they should put ID chips in regular people, but what about folks on parole? I think pedaphiles should have some kind of biometric sensor in them that would set off alarms in schools, school busses and police cars.
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    Ya know, I'm not one of those people/conspiracy theorists who are super paranoid about big brother. And I've given the gov't a lot of latitude to fight crime and the war on terror, but implanted chips would be over the line for me. If you want one, more power to ya.

    I personally would like it if it knew me when I approached my car and opened the door and started only for me. And when I approach my house it senses me and unlocks and opens the front door only for me. And other stuff like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxman300
    What if it's a chip with medical applications?

    What if it's part of naotech design that is designed for Diabetics or people ith HIV?

    EMTs, police and other medical personel would need to know that stuff is inside of you, especially if you're in an accident where you're unconcious.

    I don't think they should put ID chips in regular people, but what about folks on parole? I think pedaphiles should have some kind of biometric sensor in them that would set off alarms in schools, school busses and police cars.

    It would also do away with cash; paper money, so drug dealers, prostitutes, organized crime, etc would leave a 'transaction trail' whereby it would be easier to prosecute. Eventually all people using cash illegally would be in prison, and it would be a safer planet. If you don't get the chip, you can't work, buy, sell, etc. Solves everything, and with it you get a handy government health insurance policy. New weapons could be developed to use the chip to 'nuetralize' people who are escaping, or running from the new world order police. With a click of a mouse, the police could bring these criminals to their knees via the implanted chip that would paralize them.

    I can see a global application for the chip, the database, the elimination of cash, the allegience to a central global government and the formation of a peaceful society.

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    we already HAVE tracking devices that dont need to be implanted, yet they go EVERYWHERE with us. look at your cell phone. most are outfitted with GPS, so if big brother wanted to, he can watch ya.
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    “ Originally posted by FORD
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    then ill build it from the mexican side. -my reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD
    Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
    That is a lot of why I would never get one...

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    I'd be put to death or under heavy sedation to ever receive one... I have a huge moral problem with this whole concept...
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