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    Feedback Has Been Driving Me Crazy

    You know I'm getting frustrated with this.

    At rehearsal, the feedback I get when I'm not playing is just ridiculous. Like as soon as I turn the volume up on my guitar, horrible feedback. So I'm constantly fittling with the volume knob if the song has a stop or something. It's getting to me now.

    And it's all my guitars, it's not just one, so I know it's not a bad ground or something. Damn 5150's are so noisy, but this isn't really a noise issue, it's just this horrible feedback. I mean I guess I can back off the gain, but then I'm not loud enough competing with an entire band and another guitar.

    I mean I have nothing strange in my signal chains. I have my Boss DD-3 (Delay) and a BBE Sonic Maximizer in the Effects Loop.

    In front I have, my MXR Flanger, my EVH Phase 90, and my Crybaby. That's it, I just don't get it. I mean I guess I can get a noise gate pedal, but then you lose frequencies. I have heard the Hush pedal is pretty good, but I'm not sure on that. I assume that will probably help.

    Any other ideas? I'm just tired of it.
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    I use distortion units in conjunction with distortion channel of my JCM 900 so I used to get a lot of feedback, as you said I had to roll off the volume every time i wasn't playing: very annoying thing. I put a hush unit between distortion pedals and amplifier and now the thing is very quiet. If you have the chance try the hush before buying it, but i'm pretty sure it will help a lot.

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    Yep I think that's the route I'm gonna have to go to get rid of that feedback. I mean if I just stop playing for a few seconds in a song break, I just get that horrible feedback. I'll just have to figure out if I should put it at after the effects in front or in the effects loop.
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    Since the feedback goes away when you roll off the guitar volume, the source of the problem is the guitar (not that your guitars are faulty, it's just to focus on the source of feedback), I'd put the hush just after the guitar and before any other effect. The hush unit will work just as an automatic "roll off volume".
    You may try to put the noise gate in your fx loop, but you'll need more drastic settings and you'll feel the difference (the gate, in that case, should take care even of the distortion), while if you put after the guitar you'll need a very soft setting because you'll only need to "turn off" your guitar.
    Hope this helps. Sorry for my english..
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    Dude your English is just fine. Makes total sense, thanks for the input!
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    dude , brett i can sympathize with you.

    i have a 5150 head with a randall RTclassic 4x12 cab with vintage 30 s.

    i run a a boss ns-2 noise gate , set to mute , after my guitar then run my effects pedals in the ns-2 s effect loop .

    the only thing in my effect loop is a bbe 362.

    i still have to set the gate sensitivity high and decay low for it to work.

    but , unless i back off the volume a hair the guitar will eventually start with the howling deep feedback while not playing.

    i think it does depend on the guitar too as well and the pick ups , most of my guitars have high output pick ups. (im thinking of trying lower output/vintage pickups).

    i notice theres a sweet spot with the 5150 also between 3 and 4 on the post gain after that turning up to 5 , 6 , 7 , ect. it gets thumpy or flubby on the lower notes and it starts to feedback much more.

    it might just be me but the 5150 is a loud ass amp head and it seems at times to be real touchy about what pick ups and effects you use with it.

    still when its miked through a pa system properly it sounds awesome.
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    I like the other suggestions, and based on your "gain preferences", I think those are probably the best way to go.

    The only other thing I can think of would be to use less gain. Whether that means using the rythm channel instead, or just turning the "pre" gain down, I don't know. That one is up to you.

    One good thing about the rythm channel is that it's wider, and less-compressed (yet still has relatively insane gain), which should help you be heard among your bandmates. Maybe it's something you would eventually enjoy. Then again, maybe not.

    Eddie himself said setting the gain too much over 5 is, in his words, "...almost unuseable....".

    That "Lead" channel is just incredibly, incredibly cranked, as you know.

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    I am always curiuos if I play very loud compared to others. I play pretty freakin loud and never have had feedback issue. but I run a gate pretty high, so I actually have some notes tail off to soon, which kinda sucks also.
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    Yeah I don't use the rhythm channel for my distortion sound, I use the lead channel. I have my pre-gain at 6.5 and probably run the post at around 4 or 5. I use the rhythm channel for clean. And when I solo I use an old overdrive and just crank the shit out of it, switching to the rhythm channel. Maybe I'll also go back to using the rhythm channel for the main sound and the lead for solos, and just roll volume off for a clean sound. But to me that never sounds good.

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    yeah setting the pre on the lead channel after 5 or 6 it just turns to fizzy bass.

    at practice i run my pre at 5 and a half and post on 4 or 5 and the gate works as long as i dont stand in right front of the cab between songs.

    but since this isnt a stage situation with miced cabs and a pa and stage monitors you have to keep fairly close to the cab.........stupid drummers lol

    it sucks you have to set the note decay really high on the noise gate.

    ill have to try the duncan custom pickups maybe.
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    What's the sequence of your stomp boxes? The Wah-Wah pedal in the wrong spot used to give me grief. I had to turn the gain way down and that sounded like shit when I wasn't using the Wah pedal.

    I'm thinking noise gate too. Or a Compressor-Limiter.
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    Right now in front it's like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick S
    ill have to try the duncan custom pickups maybe.
    Instead of starting a "war" here at my favorite forums, I'll just say this....please take that statement to the Duncan forums, and snoop around a bit.

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    Could be time to retube your amp head.

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    Nah not the tubes, got 6-month old Groove Tubes in there.

    What's wrong with Duncan Customs?? I've been playing them for years and years. Love 'em, don't really care if others don't. All a matter of taste.

    Anyway, I didn't have a chance to do shopping for a gate today so what I was going to do was just use my Pod XT as a gate, since it has one built in. I'd just bypass ALL the amp settings, and basically use it as a pedal. So I get to practice, put it after my guitar in front, before my pedals, and the feedback was totally gone. In fact the sound was fucking great. I could leave my guitar up at full volume just put my hand on the strings, no feedback. I was like WTF? I didn't even have the gate on on the Pod, I just plugged my guitar into it, and then went out to my other pedals. So I said, "Well maybe it's something else." So I unplug from the Pod, bypass it and go to my other pedals, and there's the freaking feedback. Awful. So I plugged back into the Pod first and all night, it was incredible. What's funny is...I don't know why. Now this was just a temporary fix, I don't want to keep dragging my Pod to practice to use as a glorified stomp box, but it was funny how it worked and I can't figure out why.
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